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Postby philphan » Thu May 03, 2018 5:00 pm

Mackenzie Dern isn't the next Ronda Rousey ... and that's OK

The rush to find “the next Ronda Rousey” started roughly around the time Rousey was kicked in the head and knocked out by Holly Holm back in November 2015.

The search is a bit of a fool’s game, because even if a new women’s MMA star someday comes along and soars to greater heights than Rousey reached, no one will ever duplicate Rousey’s role as a trailblazing pioneer. Today’s standouts are already better than she was and the stars of tomorrow will be better than the current crop, but they’re all following in her footsteps.

Which was why it was a bit on the cringeworthy side when Mackenzie Dern earned the “next Ronda” tag leading up to her UFC debut. The 25-year-old Dern (6-0), a two-time World Jiu-Jitsu Championships gold medalist, had just five pro mixed martial arts bouts under her belt when she made her debut with a split-decision win over Ashley Yoder at UFC 222, but the combination of her world-class grappling pedigree and marketable charisma led many to draw the conclusion.

And while Dern, who returns to action at UFC 224 on May 12 when she meets Amanda Cooper in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, was flattered by the comparison, she recognizes that there was only one competitor who could be first.

“Everything she did was so great,” Dern said of Rousey. “Everything she did for MMA, for women, was so great and I hope I can do that too, even do more than what she’s done. But, at the same time, I know that she came into MMA at a very, it was very new, the women’s MMA. So of course she’s going to face different obstacles. And I can imagine for her to break the barrier was a big obstacle. I don’t have to break that barrier.”

But while Dern can’t claim Rousey’s mantle as the breakthrough star in women’s MMA, she astutely notes that as the sport progresses, the talent improves, the rosters get deeper, the competition gets more dangerous.

That’s true on both the men’s and women’s side of the sport: Royce Gracie used his jiu-jitsu to tremendous success in the earliest days of the UFC before the competition caught up. The same happened to Rousey, who stayed a one-trick judo pony as the likes of Holm and Amanda Nunes surpassed her.

Dern sees herself as a fighter who, while acknowledging she’s a work in progress, could be the one who takes things to the next level when she puts it all together.

“Of course I would like to submit the fight in 15 seconds, go and connect and submit,” Dern said, referring to Rousey’s quick wins during her rise. “But it’s not that easy anymore. They see me as a world champion in jiu-jitsu, like Royce Gracie. Jiu-jitsu in MMA, if you’re good in jiu-jitsu, people pay attention to that, instead of judo. Judo, people in MMA didn’t respect judo so much, you didn’t see too many judo fighters in MMA. So for me they train more, the whole camp, just to not engage and everything, you know?”

Indeed, the opposition is already starting to get mouthy about the sort of promotional push Dern is receiving from the UFC at such an early stage in her career. Cooper (3-3) has trash-talked Dern’s performance in her win over Yoder, criticizing her striking and her wrestling. While Dern didn’t look great in the standup, she doubled down on her jiu-jitsu in the final round to seal the win.

And Dern says Cooper’s words only make her all the more determined to submit Cooper, who’s had all three of her career losses come by way of tapout. Especially given that Dern, who was raised in Arizona but is of Brazilian roots, will be fighting in her family’s homeland.

“This fight I want to submit [her], like fast,” Dern said. “The last fight with Ashley, I wanted to like stay standing up. I wanted to get the submission, but I didn’t have a rush to finish fast. But for Amanda, I want to submit fast. I’ll be in Brazil, I’m a Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter, I want to like show jiu-jitsu. So, I’m going to finish as fast as possible this fight.”

That sort of determination – and ability to take her opponent’s hate and turn it into fuel for motivation – is another trait she happens to share with Rousey, who never passed up on an excuse to place a chip on her own shoulder.

“Like Ronda, I think I’m aggressive like her, that’s my style,” Dern said. “But I have to be smart. I need to learn to fight, exchange. I try to punch them, to build and defend my takedowns better. I feel a little pressure like that, it’s a little not fair, you know? People are like, ‘don’t try to be a striker.’ Of course I’d like a knockout on my record one day, but I want to be a striker, I want to submit, but it’s a different game now than when [Rousey] came in. So I think people are seeing that. I think people are seeing my style, they see my system, they see my heart that I have as a fighter.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby bwawm » Fri May 04, 2018 11:47 am

but.......

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby Darklord » Fri May 04, 2018 1:58 pm

I learned a lot of things form Dern's first foray into MMA:

1) Her striking is embarrassingly remedial
2) I cant stand the way she talks
3) She lost that match, don't care what the judges say
4) After being bombarded with her glamour shots for a couple years I was astonished by how flabby and horse-faced she looks. Standing next to Ashley Yoder didn't do her any favors

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby bwawm » Fri May 04, 2018 2:19 pm

Darklord wrote:I learned a lot of things form Dern's first foray into MMA:

1) Her striking is embarrassingly remedial
2) I cant stand the way she talks
3) She lost that match, don't care what the judges say
4) After being bombarded with her glamour shots for a couple years I was astonished by how flabby and horse-faced she looks. Standing next to Ashley Yoder didn't do her any favors

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but.......

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby Mr Meow » Fri May 04, 2018 2:25 pm

Darklord wrote:I learned a lot of things form Dern's first foray into MMA:

1) Her striking is embarrassingly remedial
2) I cant stand the way she talks
3) She lost that match, don't care what the judges say
4) After being bombarded with her glamour shots for a couple years I was astonished by how flabby and horse-faced she looks. Standing next to Ashley Yoder didn't do her any favors

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Yeah her striking is truly horrible. Also there is no way in hell she won that fight. I had Yoder winning 2 rounds easily.

Her voice is incredibly annoying....well depends on which voice you are referring too :lol: She tends to put on different accents and versions of her voice depending on where she is located globally :lol:




I am kinda surprised she accepted another UFC fight so quickly. she clearly needs to develop more, if she strikes like that against girls who are strikers like Angela Hill or Andrea Lee she is getting knocked out hard. Hell Yoder dropped her once and borderline rocked her another time and Yoder is not known for her striking.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby Darklord » Fri May 04, 2018 2:49 pm

Mr Meow wrote:
I am kinda surprised she accepted another UFC fight so quickly. she clearly needs to develop more, if she strikes like that against girls who are strikers like Angela Hill or Andrea Lee she is getting knocked out hard. Hell Yoder dropped her once and borderline rocked her another time and Yoder is not known for her striking.


Yeah, Cooper is a good opponent for her, We will see where she lands after this fight.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby JTuck34 » Fri May 04, 2018 3:16 pm

bwawm wrote:but.......

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby philphan » Fri May 04, 2018 4:26 pm

bwawm wrote:but.......

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby PainDog » Fri May 04, 2018 11:06 pm

Dern is circumstantially attractive.

With her mouth closed she generally looks nice and she has a good body as mentioned by others

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However when she smiles her face distorts and everything gets out of proportion.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby philphan » Mon May 07, 2018 7:24 pm

The only question is does she hit the wall this month or in a couple of months from now? She will get koed in glorious fashion, just like Honda.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby philphan » Fri May 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Mackenzie Dern misses weight for UFC 224 by a staggering seven pounds

Mackenzie Dern easily made the flyweight limit for her Amanda Bobby Cooper fight at the UFC 224 weigh ins on Friday (full results here), held just one day before Saturday night’s (May 12, 2018) pay-per-view (PPV) event in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Unfortunately for the grappling ace, her “ABC” fight was contracted at strawweight, which means tipping the scale at 123 pounds leaves her seven pounds over the 115-pound limit (115 plus one pound allowance). Dern’s scale fail is not the first of her mixed martial arts (MMA) career and is no doubt a bad look for her — as well as the promotion — after the Arizonian upstart was featured so prominently in the hype leading up to UFC 224. Cooper, to her credit, ...
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby ebickmeyer » Fri May 11, 2018 7:49 pm

Dern sucks down 5 milkshakes prior to her UFC 224 weigh in.
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Re: Dern sucks

Postby kezzaman » Fri May 11, 2018 8:52 pm

philphan wrote:Mackenzie Dern misses weight for UFC 224 by a staggering seven pounds

Mackenzie Dern easily made the flyweight limit for her Amanda Bobby Cooper fight at the UFC 224 weigh ins on Friday (full results here), held just one day before Saturday night’s (May 12, 2018) pay-per-view (PPV) event in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Unfortunately for the grappling ace, her “ABC” fight was contracted at strawweight, which means tipping the scale at 123 pounds leaves her seven pounds over the 115-pound limit (115 plus one pound allowance). Dern’s scale fail is not the first of her mixed martial arts (MMA) career and is no doubt a bad look for her — as well as the promotion — after the Arizonian upstart was featured so prominently in the hype leading up to UFC 224. Cooper, to her credit, ...

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Re: Dern sucks

Postby ebickmeyer » Fri May 11, 2018 10:36 pm

kezzaman wrote:
philphan wrote:Mackenzie Dern misses weight for UFC 224 by a staggering seven pounds

Mackenzie Dern easily made the flyweight limit for her Amanda Bobby Cooper fight at the UFC 224 weigh ins on Friday (full results here), held just one day before Saturday night’s (May 12, 2018) pay-per-view (PPV) event in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Unfortunately for the grappling ace, her “ABC” fight was contracted at strawweight, which means tipping the scale at 123 pounds leaves her seven pounds over the 115-pound limit (115 plus one pound allowance). Dern’s scale fail is not the first of her mixed martial arts (MMA) career and is no doubt a bad look for her — as well as the promotion — after the Arizonian upstart was featured so prominently in the hype leading up to UFC 224. Cooper, to her credit, ...

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Re: Dern sucks

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