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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby DreadLobster » Sun May 31, 2020 1:42 pm

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Shuck » Sun May 31, 2020 5:40 pm

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Shuck wrote:FB, Twitter & Youtube are not normal private companies they are practically Monopolies.. Here's an answer that sums up my views on it
These companies have a de facto monopoly - at that point, the "private company" argument no longer flies.

I'm normally against anti-discrimination laws, but if you're the one and only grocery shop in town, you shouldn't have the right to refuse service to people because of their political views, race, gender or religion. If you have a monopoly, you should have an obligation not to discriminate.

Likewise, if Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are number one at their respective things, they should be treated like public utilities rather than private companies. In fact, given how much federal funding Silicion Valley got…

Also, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are PLATFORMS, not publishers - they are not responsible for what gets shared on their platforms.
If you can pick and choose between whose stuff you want to see, you are a publisher - and are therefore liable for the stuff you publish.
They cannot have it both ways. At least, they should not be allowed to have it both ways.

I would be 100% ok with the government going after social media companies for the myriad of LAWS that they're breaking. Anti trust laws and monopoly laws are a good thing. I don't see how that legally justifies literally silencing them in the meantime though.

They put a fact check and a warning label next to Trump's tweet. They didn't silence ANYTHING, but they are being told they aren't allowed to say what they want.

The last part, about publishers vs platforms, is exactly the justification they're trying to use, repealing their section 230 immunity. They being in this case Trump, Gaetz, Hawley, etc...

First, I'll say that just because a hypothetical legal justification exists doesn't mean it is right. One could argue that the decency act, of which that section was a part, is already an encroachment on the first amendment. It is by every definition a censorship law. So using a censorship law to justify further censoring isn't really the most reassuring way to explain my fears away. Apply similar logic to any gun law and I'm sure you can see why I think the GOP is full of shit. They would never stand for it.

So... I'm aware a justification exists, I'm just pointing out how ass backwards it is from their supposed principles.

Second... if they repeal the immunity of these giant corporations...

Do they just go out of business because of all the law suits?

The other option is the government steps in to regulate... Now the fucking government itself is the moderator? That means government written terms of service. What happens when the next party comes into power... now the terms of service change. If people are crying bias now, when its controlled by a business... can you imagine what the outcry will be like when its politicians rewriting the rules every few months? Can you imagine a government bureaucracy trying to keep up with the changing technology? Try to imagine the reality of how shitty this will be in practice.

Its a disaster.

This is a foot in the door towards ending the free internet that we mostly have. This specific, purposeful, dangerous misrepresentation of what the first amendment is makes it a little easier every time they want to push further. If you think it stops with just the current giants I'm curious as to why.

did I ever mention I knew who is "them"?

During an investigation of a murder scene you don't need to know the suspect to know a muder occurred.


If you're investigating a murder, and there's massive inconsistencies in someone's story, you should question their motivations.

This is why I keep bringing up the hypocrisy in regards to the fairness doctrine, 2nd amendment, etc. The republicans are outing themselves.


I see where you're going with it, that the Gov't cracking down on social media can lead to further censorship .. cant argue against that with their track record.. but its evident that those platforms have been taking censoring in their own hands to push a certain narrative. only makes sense that anyone leaning left will favor one side while a conservative will favor the other approach, so its pick your poison

This is one giant shitstorm, Ill admit Trump needs to do a better job of calming down the flames.. Same goes for the rest of the leaders & I don't think telling your President "F U" live on Cam helps matters much either

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby MiniMan » Sun May 31, 2020 6:25 pm

Shuck, you do realise Con has always just been playing, don’t you?
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Shuck » Sun May 31, 2020 7:07 pm

MiniMan wrote:Shuck, you do realise Con has always just been playing, don’t you?


lol, Im surprised you still believe that Mini
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby DreadLobster » Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 pm

Shuck wrote:I see where you're going with it, that the Gov't cracking down on social media can lead to further censorship .. cant argue against that with their track record.. but its evident that those platforms have been taking censoring in their own hands to push a certain narrative. only makes sense that anyone leaning left will favor one side while a conservative will favor the other approach, so its pick your poison

This is one giant shitstorm, Ill admit Trump needs to do a better job of calming down the flames.. Same goes for the rest of the leaders & I don't think telling your President "F U" live on Cam helps matters much either

Times like these Link needs Con back to bring some sense to all this madness


Ok... but still... to reiterate...

Even if that's true it is still 100% legal and not a violation of anyone's rights in any way shape or form.

The poison options are:

1. No one's rights are violated
2. A major violation of rights that will lead to more violations of more rights

But yes. Pick your poison, I guess.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby bruins2012 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:40 am

MiniMan wrote:Shuck, you do realise Con has always just been playing, don’t you?


Shuck has always been in denial.


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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby DeceptaCon » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:22 pm

Shuck wrote:
MiniMan wrote:Shuck, you do realise Con has always just been playing, don’t you?


lol, Im surprised you still believe that Mini

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby DeceptaCon » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:26 pm

Shuck wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that this cop was a mole, planted to ignite this chaos that was primed to explode.. just like several other under cover cops / agents that have been filmed starting these riots..

Wts, the "Mole Cop" who did the job should get either life or execution imo .. but all the rioting, looting, is purely disgusting

@Bells, Trump called out the major platforms like Twitter & FB for their proven censorship towards conservative media way before this "fact checking" narrative came out.. their bias has been proven, Zuckberg had a senate hearing regarding it over a month ago.. amazn how cracking down on free speech censorship is spun into the exact opposite

@Pain, not surprised you didn't mention the prejudice towards Jews on Link.. the biggest minority on here seems to get the most hate & nobody speaks of it.. & if you think all of Linkers are as Racist as Kop then you haven't been paying attention.. Ill go on the record to say I have zero ill will towards him or any other Linker, just feel pity for anybody w/that mindset.

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby DeceptaCon » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:28 pm

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DreadLobster wrote:I mean... the protests aren’t about one guy.


Right, but then I read about protestors here smashing up restaurants, setting a construction site on fire, and pepper-spraying black city council members and wonder what those do in the fights against police brutality and discrimination. Maybe I’m just being a sperg :?:

(Mayor) Ginther said he believed racism “is a public health and safety crisis” and he wanted to see a more equitable city, but “we are now at a point that we can no longer tell who is protesting for change and an end to racism and who has only chaos and destruction in mind.”

The city of Columbus remains under curfew from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby willmma » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:03 pm

I wonder if other nations will return the favor and support the American people their fight for freedom against racism and police brutality

#AmericanSpring ??



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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Oldtoby420 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:23 am

Either way both sides Dems & Reps are using this all to their forseen advantage / benefit just which one will help them get the most votes who rly knows.

I do find it funny how the media & politicians are now blaming Trump like he had a hand in this guys death.

I also find it odd groups like BLM & Civil Rights Activist always start these sort of movements getting behind some of the worst cases of people to do so under that were engaging in risking behavior that lead to putting themselves in the situation they ended up in who also often have past record of doing the same similar things before said incedent.

Yet is completely appualinfg that you barely here anything about BLM & Civil Rights Activist starting the same public outcry or movement when it comes to the senseless killings / murders of young innocent black childern gunned down in shootings & driveby shootings by gang members in black communities. It's pretty damn hard to take them seriously when black gang memebrs killing black children in the streets of black communities isn't seen as important enough of an issue for them to make a big deal about.

It's like the example of seeing on the new a family grieving about how their innocent son was senselessly murder & mother claiming they were a good kid who did nothing wrong while crying her eyes out. But wait wait hold up they were a known gang member selling drugs on the street corner who they know was gunned down & killed by rival gang memebrs. Not saying their killer/killers shouldn't be brought to justice but take some responability for the fact that they were partially at fault for doing the things they did that put them in their situation don't go acting like they were a fucking saint.

Fact is when you engauge yourself in certain activities & behaviors it can lead to putting yourself in questionable situation that may have life threatening consquences, so don't go playing it up like they had no part in their own downfall.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby bruins2012 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:37 am

Trump just threatened to deploy active US military on US soil! 2nd Amendment zealots rise up!! The police state you have feared is HERE. Sons Of Liberty WHERE ARE YOU?!

Curious how the Trump supporters feel about this now? Having a president that is trampling all over your constitutional rights......


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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby TFlock » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:33 am

KOP happened to disappear from linker right after George Floyd died. I hope he didn’t catch the corona?... :wink:
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby TFlock » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:36 am

bruins2012 wrote:Trump just threatened to deploy active US military on US soil! 2nd Amendment zealots rise up!! The police state you have feared is HERE. Sons Of Liberty WHERE ARE YOU?!

Curious how the Trump supporters feel about this now? Having a president that is trampling all over your constitutional rights......


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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby PBells » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:37 am

TFlock wrote:KOP happened to disappear from linker right after George Floyd died. I hope he didn’t catch the corona?... :wink:


He got the banrona, unfortunately
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