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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Mr Meow » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:38 am

willmma wrote:
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willmma wrote:Not sure what people were expecting from Trump.

I mean, going up there and saying Putin told me he didn't do it, is a silly thing to do. But even if Putin did interfere with the elections it would be for the benefit of Trump. Why would Trump take him to task and admit he didn't win legitimately.

Also people wanted to confront Putin over other issues like Crimea and Syria and gay rights and I don't know what else. How does that work. Here you have an American government that forcibly stole children from their parents arms. Is so racist they ban entry to people of a specific faith. Helped create and grow ISIS, as per Trump himself. You could have a news conference were Trump goes up and talks about Crimea and Syria and Putin go up and talk about children and ISIS. What good is that?

It is strange for Trump to call the EU as foes and then be so friendly with Russia. But that's Trump.

Like KoP said, people are itching for WW3.

The media has two foreign obsessions. Israel and Russia (sometimes China). Love and hate. Can do no wrong and can do no right. Must coddle polish protect and love at all times and must hate, vilify, and attack all times.

On a side note, I think China is on the establishment hate column but I think the Chinese are smart and are investing lots of PR. You end up with Chinese friendly movies like crouching tiger and movie stars like Jet Li and Jackie Chan. I mean, who can hate on Jackie?? no one.



Agreed overall. However there are cases of the opposite to be fair

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First of all banning people of a specific religion is not racist. Islam is not a race

If you want say its bigoted that would be one thing. That would still be untrue though. Obama signaled these 7 nations as having huge potential national security risk. Trump then proposed, but did not put into place, a temporary travel stoppage on new entries from these specific countries. People who were already here from those countries or American's traveling from those countries could still come and go.

Also Egypt has like 100 million Muslims, Indonesia has like 250 million, Bangladesh has like 100 million etc etc. Muslims from all these countries were not effected by this at all. So saying America banned people from a certain religion to enter the country is just not factually correct at all. Or even close to it. If it is a Muslim ban then these people would have been affected too and they weren't.




Let's not kid ourselves. Trump ran on a "total and complete" Muslim ban. The fact that he couldn't implement it and had to settle on a seven country ban 2 of which are not Muslim is not credit to him but the judicial process.



Americans forcibly stole children from their parents? The issue with this is that if you try to come into the country legally this does not happen.
No. Absolutely not. The issue is separating children from their parents. who the fuck does that!? Send them all back, dont send the parents and keep the children. An attempt to illegally enter is bad. I'm not against sending them back. But "the issue" that I have is with taking the children. Don't make excuses Meow it's not a good look.


If you try to come in illegally and say you are seeking asylum this does not happen. It only happens when people break the law and try to enter illegally. Know what happens to US citizens who break the law? They are not allowed to see their kids when they are detained during the criminal process.......so why should Americans treat non citizens better than we treat our own kids and citizens? Special treatment for those who try to cross illegally. Not sure I follow that

If you commit a crime you go to prison. If you are caught crossing illegally you AND YOUR CHILDREN are sent back. Anything else is cruel and unnecessary. Don't conflate the two

The rest below are either red-herrings or way too off topic to get into.


Mexico is a failed third world country with a hilariously corrupt government, a southern border wall, much harsher penalties for those caught entering illegally and harboring illegals and treat black people way worse than the US does yet they have the balls to call us racist. Amazing.

If America is such a racist place why do a shit ton of non white people try to enter illegally? Or immigrate legally?

Russia treats homosexuals far worse on average than America does also. Just throwing that out there. If Donald called him out on that I would not have had an issue with it on a level of principle, but yeah I agree I am not sure how much good it would have done beyond that though.

I get calling America a racist society is one of the last remaining bits of socially acceptable bigotry, but can we keep it to the facts please? Japan had over 20,000 applicants of refugees in 2016 and accepted 20 of them. Japan is only 98.5% ethnic Japanese I suppose, so are they a racist horrible country for that? I personally do not think so but if we apply this logic unilaterally you would have to say that they are indeed a horrible bigoted society unwilling to help people.

But yeah Trump sucks. He is in dirty with the Russians. Fuck I'm. About to add a trillion to the national deficit as well in 2019 from current projections. What I would do to have a good president again. Its been so long. Certainly not since the 2000s that is for damn sure.


If you did not want to respond mr sir you really did not need to. I feel as if this conversation will just be talking past each other. Especially if a temporary travel moratorium on 7 countries = A Muslim ban, then I really do not see this being fruitful for either of us

No worries mr sir. Just different opinions!
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Shuck » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am

Mr Meow wrote:
Shuck wrote:Democrats & Republicans were put in place to divide the Country
CNN & FOX NEWS.. divide the Country
Citizens vs Police.. divide the Country
50 States each having their own Sport Teams (almost each)... divide the Country

Advertise beer & cigs.. weaken general pop
Advertise Sugar.. weaken the pop
Fast food at every corner... weaken the pop
Free Porn.. weaken the pop
Prescribe Meds like Candy.. weaken the pop

False Flags i.e 9/11... control the country
False Flags i.e Vegas Shooting.. remove guns, control country (tbd)
....

The evidence is clear as day fellas. They control both sides of the fence w/one end goal in mind, Divide & Weaken & Control through Fear.. Power in Numbers.. United we Stand Divided we Fall.. everything we see is Propaganda designed to warp our minds in one direction or another, keying on each sides emotions.. don't be fooled, they use kids as pawns in a game of chess, it is all that it is..



Do you mind If I ask what you base this off? I have heard this before but from what I know about it I personally do not think it adds up beyond being fishy to being a full fledged false flag. The Jesus Campos stuff was certainly odd though


Like you said, they conveniently changed the timeline of when the security guard was shot compared to when he opened fire because their initial story was debunked to not be possible.. Campos mysteriously vanishes after the fact when he was intended to do several interviews... how did this 64 yr old deranged gambler manage to get so many rifles into a casino w/our raising an eyebrow.. what was his motive.. many believe the shots actually came from a helicopter that was canvassing the field.. anyway I have not dug into this one really, it just seemed so suspect, fishy, soo many holes that I included it (tbd)
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby willmma » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:04 am

Shuck wrote:
Mr Meow wrote:
Shuck wrote:Democrats & Republicans were put in place to divide the Country
CNN & FOX NEWS.. divide the Country
Citizens vs Police.. divide the Country
50 States each having their own Sport Teams (almost each)... divide the Country

Advertise beer & cigs.. weaken general pop
Advertise Sugar.. weaken the pop
Fast food at every corner... weaken the pop
Free Porn.. weaken the pop
Prescribe Meds like Candy.. weaken the pop

False Flags i.e 9/11... control the country
False Flags i.e Vegas Shooting.. remove guns, control country (tbd)
....

The evidence is clear as day fellas. They control both sides of the fence w/one end goal in mind, Divide & Weaken & Control through Fear.. Power in Numbers.. United we Stand Divided we Fall.. everything we see is Propaganda designed to warp our minds in one direction or another, keying on each sides emotions.. don't be fooled, they use kids as pawns in a game of chess, it is all that it is..



Do you mind If I ask what you base this off? I have heard this before but from what I know about it I personally do not think it adds up beyond being fishy to being a full fledged false flag. The Jesus Campos stuff was certainly odd though


Like you said, they conveniently changed the timeline of when the security guard was shot compared to when he opened fire because their initial story was debunked to not be possible.. Campos mysteriously vanishes after the fact when he was intended to do several interviews... how did this 64 yr old deranged gambler manage to get so many rifles into a casino w/our raising an eyebrow.. what was his motive.. many believe the shots actually came from a helicopter that was canvassing the field.. anyway I have not dug into this one really, it just seemed so suspect, fishy, soo many holes that I included it (tbd)


This is the first time I hear about conspiracy theories around the Las Vegas shooting. I guess there had to be. But you need to come up with more than that to make it suspicious.

So far what you have is
1. some confusion about a timeline when a guard was shot. Which honestly doesn't mean anything other than media reports got it wrong.
2. Campos "mysteriously vanishes", big conspiracy words that sound very "mysterious". But in fact he didnt vanish. Just google the guy and you'll find news articles about him for days, weeks, and months after the incident. I imagine the media with it's short attention span moved on from Campos. But he's still there. Only vanished from the media spotlight.
3. This is how paddock brought the weapons to the hotel: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 2742467930 one batch at a time. I don't imagine there is a staff member who counts the number of bags each guest brings in.
4. If there was a helicopter shooting it wouldnt be a matter of conjecture and the "belief" of many. It would be quite obvious. People would have seen it. Some cellphone camera would have captured it. Plus, which is it? some weird ploy that allowed a 64 year old bring in a large cache of weapons? Or a helicopter shooting from the air?

Lastly, whats the point? If you are going to pay off Mandalay Bay security to allow a gunman to smuggle weapons into the room. If you are going to make a security guard mysteriously vanish. If you are going to procure a helicopter equipped with a machine gun to fly in the skies of Las Vegas and shoot at crowds below. It would take a huge effort to kill a large amount of people. To what end? False Flag to get what? I mean Gulf of Tonkin triggered a war. 9-11 triggered several wars. Mandalay Bay did what? There has to be a beneficiary, a motive, for the conspiracy to work.

IMHO there are way more holes in the conspiracy than in the actual shooting storyline.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby PBells » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:13 am

I don't see the point in running false-flags to try to ban guns when we have a Republican president and Republican majorities in the House, Senate, and Supreme Court. If Obama didn't, Trump certainly won't.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby willmma » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:29 am

Sacha is goofy but this is insane!!

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Shuck » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:01 am

willmma wrote:
Shuck wrote:
Mr Meow wrote:
Shuck wrote:Democrats & Republicans were put in place to divide the Country
CNN & FOX NEWS.. divide the Country
Citizens vs Police.. divide the Country
50 States each having their own Sport Teams (almost each)... divide the Country

Advertise beer & cigs.. weaken general pop
Advertise Sugar.. weaken the pop
Fast food at every corner... weaken the pop
Free Porn.. weaken the pop
Prescribe Meds like Candy.. weaken the pop

False Flags i.e 9/11... control the country
False Flags i.e Vegas Shooting.. remove guns, control country (tbd)
....

The evidence is clear as day fellas. They control both sides of the fence w/one end goal in mind, Divide & Weaken & Control through Fear.. Power in Numbers.. United we Stand Divided we Fall.. everything we see is Propaganda designed to warp our minds in one direction or another, keying on each sides emotions.. don't be fooled, they use kids as pawns in a game of chess, it is all that it is..



Do you mind If I ask what you base this off? I have heard this before but from what I know about it I personally do not think it adds up beyond being fishy to being a full fledged false flag. The Jesus Campos stuff was certainly odd though


Like you said, they conveniently changed the timeline of when the security guard was shot compared to when he opened fire because their initial story was debunked to not be possible.. Campos mysteriously vanishes after the fact when he was intended to do several interviews... how did this 64 yr old deranged gambler manage to get so many rifles into a casino w/our raising an eyebrow.. what was his motive.. many believe the shots actually came from a helicopter that was canvassing the field.. anyway I have not dug into this one really, it just seemed so suspect, fishy, soo many holes that I included it (tbd)


This is the first time I hear about conspiracy theories around the Las Vegas shooting. I guess there had to be. But you need to come up with more than that to make it suspicious.

So far what you have is
1. some confusion about a timeline when a guard was shot. Which honestly doesn't mean anything other than media reports got it wrong.
2. Campos "mysteriously vanishes", big conspiracy words that sound very "mysterious". But in fact he didnt vanish. Just google the guy and you'll find news articles about him for days, weeks, and months after the incident. I imagine the media with it's short attention span moved on from Campos. But he's still there. Only vanished from the media spotlight.
3. This is how paddock brought the weapons to the hotel: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 2742467930 one batch at a time. I don't imagine there is a staff member who counts the number of bags each guest brings in.
4. If there was a helicopter shooting it wouldnt be a matter of conjecture and the "belief" of many. It would be quite obvious. People would have seen it. Some cellphone camera would have captured it. Plus, which is it? some weird ploy that allowed a 64 year old bring in a large cache of weapons? Or a helicopter shooting from the air?

Lastly, whats the point? If you are going to pay off Mandalay Bay security to allow a gunman to smuggle weapons into the room. If you are going to make a security guard mysteriously vanish. If you are going to procure a helicopter equipped with a machine gun to fly in the skies of Las Vegas and shoot at crowds below. It would take a huge effort to kill a large amount of people. To what end? False Flag to get what? I mean Gulf of Tonkin triggered a war. 9-11 triggered several wars. Mandalay Bay did what? There has to be a beneficiary, a motive, for the conspiracy to work.

IMHO there are way more holes in the conspiracy than in the actual shooting storyline.


Ill open up w/saying that I honestly didn't dig deep into this story.. I just found many things to be very suspect right off the bat.. for someone who clearly believes 9/11 was a false flag then my initial reaction w/all of these mass shootings is to be suspect at first glance until it truly ads up.. and the verdict is still out on this one.

1. Timeline being changed is a redflag.. the facts conveniently changed once the word came out that the initial report didn't make sense. suspect
2. Security Guard Vanished when he was scheduled to do 5+ interviews on major networks.. suspect
3. The vid you showed didn't come up for me.. but a guy carrying that many duffle bags into a hotel should raise some eyebrows w/todays security.. suspect
4. The helicopter video is out there.. didn't understand the last part of what you meant

Shooting false flags are meant to turn the general pop against guns, allowing gun control policies to be much stricter .. that is just my opinion. it all ties up.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Mr Meow » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:44 am

Just going to throw my 2 cents out there and probably get yelled at :tup: :tup:

In my opinion the Campos timeline is fucked up.

It changed 4 times in the span of a month

To me this is not indicative of a false flag though. However I do think it is indicative of Mandalay bay trying to cover up its own tracks. They just released a video of 7+ swat guys/officers standing around the outside of the room for 3 minutes (maybe more only 3 from the recording we know for sure) while the shooting was going on but not going in to stop it.

Also Mandalay Bay just sued a fuck ton of the survivors families, over 1,000 as a way to counteract preemptive liability lawsuits.

The Campos dude at first encountered the shooter 2 minutes before he started shooting, then it was 2 minutes into the shooting, then it was something else, now its something else, I think that is all being manipulated by the casino as a way to mitigate liability issues

Why on earth they did not have an alarm system on the windows for when they were broken is beyond me. That is beyond stupid.


Paddock was a high roller there who got away with a lot of shit. The employees helped him carry up a shit ton of duffel bags slowly over a multiple day process but probably never asked questions as they knew he was a whale for the casino.

What I figured mr shuck sir would jump on is the allegation that the employees allowed Paddock to use the employee express elevators, which visitors to the hotel are not allowed to use, in order to move up the guns. The casino has flip flopped on if they allowed that or not several times as well, just like the Campos timeline the casino has changed 4 times.


Other interesting things some conspiracy theorists point to is the fact he ordered room service for 2 the night before but yet the casino says he was always alone in the room. Also how could he have mounted and assembled the security camera system he set up outside his room without anybody noticing? (i think this is also explained with the casino trying to prevent liability, the noises were probably reported but suppressed because he was a high roller)


I think its a strange occurrence but I think the inconsistencies can be applied to the Casino trying to cover its ass and not a false flag

False Flags do happen (Gulf of Tonkin which was used to get us into Vietnam war) but I do not see enough evidence to say this is a false flag
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Shuck » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:54 am

Good stuff Meowzers.. reading that over I think you convinced me to believe it was a False Flag even more now :lol:

These days if something looks, sounds & smells fishy.. well then it most likely adds up to being a rotten fish..

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby KingOfPancrase » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:21 pm

The real scandal is a huge chunk of our government is complicit with the corporate media in spreading a false narrative in order to start a new cold war...presumably so these neocon warmongers along with their neoliberal counterparts can run for election with that as their main issue...along with impeaching the rightfully elected president. Treason should be punished with military tribunals and public executions.
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby Mr Meow » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:07 pm

KingOfPancrase wrote:The real scandal is a huge chunk of our government is complicit with the corporate media in spreading a false narrative in order to start a new cold war...presumably so these neocon warmongers along with their neoliberal counterparts can run for election with that as their main issue...along with impeaching the rightfully elected president. Treason should be punished with military tribunals and public executions.



I use to be a big fan of watching Fox News when Obama was in office to see how they would overreact and freak out to everything that he does. The fact they gave any exposure to an easily debunked conspiracy on where Obama was born was pure unintentional comedic gold.

Now I find CNN to be even more enjoyable than Fox was back then. They are quickly becoming the Conspiracy News Network and again, its unintentional comedic gold.

My favorite conspiracy they peddle is how the NRA is secretly running our government somehow. A lot of liberals parrot this now and like CNN, never actually give any evidence for this. Also the Roe V Wade conspiracy is beyond hilarious. Nobody is talking about overturning it but they continue to straw man it to the right and fear monger about it constantly :lol: :lol:

Main stream news is always insanely biased but Trump has trolled CNN into being no better than Infowars at this point :lol:
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

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Re: The Official Political Thread.

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It is shitty all around. These figures do not surprise me at all sadly.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ama-legacy


Interesting article about bombings in Syria and if it will continue in the future (it will)
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Re: The Official Political Thread.

Postby MurderfaceMMA » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:06 am

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