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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby JaredStorm » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:04 pm

seriously.



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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby agonzalez1 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:17 pm

Obama on Babies:

There's a new McCain ad concerning Obama and Sex Education. It is really quite terrifying...but lets look and see how it holds up.



Oh it seems so racy! So controversial! Moving on...



Interesting...What else does he think on this subject?



We need to teach them young...so they aren't "Punished with a baby"????? How is the miracle of life a PUNISHMENT!!!!

So was it really a surprise to hear this????:



Priests and clergymen do not earn wages. Virtually all theologians are priests with further education. Scientists and Philosophers are for the most part university professors.

Senator Obama made 4 million dollars last year.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Silverblunt » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:23 pm

agonzalez1 wrote:
oh you know it...but i'm not going to disagree. Find that interesting....read on my friend.

Bush was never a conservative. Bottom line. He's a globalist. Democrats are for bigger government. When you combine the two along with enough pork...you'll get the RINOs (Republicans in name only) to expand the power of government for differnet reasons but with the same outcome.

You saw conservatives still vote down this stupid bailout that was 700 billion explode to 850 billion. Ron Paul for example, voted no (I agree with him on everything except the war on terrorism).

I think it's pretty low to call those that oppose Obama as racists. That was Obama's false dillema/scare tactic. http://genycon.blogspot.com/2008/08/oba ... awman.html

It is funny that the author of the blog says corsi has an unconscious "blame the blacks" attitude...yet the author speaks of "tightening a noose" around Obama's neck. That is despicable.

I dont think anyone is throwing the election. This is a democrat year...there are record lows for Bush's approval (yet even lower for congress - why we have 2 SENATORS running for president is beyond me) it is his 2nd term and we just had a republican congress go into the minority after running it for nearly 15 years.

The Republicans and Bush are not out to destroy the economy...the power that has been granted to the beaurocracy is unfounded...do you honestly think that in a Democrat administration that that power will be relenquished?

Obama still will enact his policies of tax and spend during a recession (as will McCain...just less so), will increase the power of government - which has just seized property rights beyond eminent domain, and will dictate to citizens who can make what.

His is a record of leftist ideals, socialist thinking, and associations contra to any sort of limited-government.


Boy am I glad that we see most things the same way....That must be an "mmalinker off-topic first". :mrgreen:
And thank you for reading.
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- Political ideology is dead and we are all chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. (I agree, Bush was never a conservative)
- The demise of nations is upon us and cooperatism is the new way of life.

I am sure that you are aware of the fact that Mike Ruppert (Author of the blog) is in no way a racist - He is just analyzing the situation, much like the link you provided.

I have great respect for Mike Ruppert and I have been following his work since 1998. - He has at least 30 members of congress subscribing to his blog.
He has been fighting "the man" since he rejected to turn CIA in the 1980s while still in the LAPD.

He is an abundance of knowledge when it comes to mapping the different people in the economic/political landscape.
He predicted this financial collapse. He is not dem or rep. When Clinton was in office he was all over him.
-This guy just calls it as he sees it.

I actually think that you would agree with some of the things he is saying or at least that he will give you a few extra pieces of the puzzle in your quest to understand the world we live in. - I know he did that for me.


:biggrin: :biggrin: I think you just hit my soft spot when flaming Mike Ruppert :biggrin: :biggrin:

...And please tell me your view on "the war on terrorism"? - I thought you supported it?? Maybe I have poor memory.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby agonzalez1 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:58 pm

Silverblunt wrote:


for me. :biggrin: I think you just hit my soft spot when flaming Mike Ruppert :biggrin: :biggrin:

...And please tell me your view on "the war on terrorism"? - I thought you supported it?? Maybe I have poor memory.


I do...i didn't agree with everything, but it's so much detail when I responded, lol. There have been so many coordinated plots and attacks that it is pretty shocking that neither candidate addresses it. Sure, they talk about Iraq and Afghanistan, but under the reference that they can win at that particular place. Indeed the war on terror is real, and I would rather see us deal with it now than to go back to the Clinton years when we saw it as a police action. With that policy, the world trade center was bombed (the first time), the USS Cole was sunk, and there were other attacks culminating to 9-11, 7/7 in the UK, etc. Iraq was a mess, but that has to be dealt with.

For me, I support McCain for the reason that he is worthy at the foreign policy helm. He is commander in chief material. Which is what our president is supposed to be according to the constitution. Neither McCain or Obama can fix the economy. They will appoint someone to hopefully do something just like bush is putting the burden on paulson. People see the presidency as someone taht is going to hold your hand and raise you from cradle to grave.

Of course you liked that link, i wrote it, bwahaha.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby OMGLASERGUNPEWPEW » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:20 pm

Damn,you freaked me out now. :?
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Silverblunt » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:13 pm

agonzalez1 wrote:I do...i didn't agree with everything, but it's so much detail when I responded, lol. There have been so many coordinated plots and attacks that it is pretty shocking that neither candidate addresses it. Sure, they talk about Iraq and Afghanistan, but under the reference that they can win at that particular place. Indeed the war on terror is real, and I would rather see us deal with it now than to go back to the Clinton years when we saw it as a police action. With that policy, the world trade center was bombed (the first time), the USS Cole was sunk, and there were other attacks culminating to 9-11, 7/7 in the UK, etc. Iraq was a mess, but that has to be dealt with.

For me, I support McCain for the reason that he is worthy at the foreign policy helm. He is commander in chief material. Which is what our president is supposed to be according to the constitution. Neither McCain or Obama can fix the economy. They will appoint someone to hopefully do something just like bush is putting the burden on paulson. People see the presidency as someone taht is going to hold your hand and raise you from cradle to grave.

Of course you liked that link, i wrote it, bwahaha.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the link my friend!

I disagree with your view on "the war on terror" in too many ways to explain....


You dont KNOW that McCain will do a better job on foreign policy than Obama. I actually happen to believe the opposite - Despite not being an Obama fan.

Then again, it seems that you and I have different views on "a good job" when it comes to american foreign policy.

I tend to be less interested in the charisma and personallity of candidates in these political elections - I would rather look at his/her associates and his/her connections to people in the financial and political world. Its always interesting to know who is backing the candidates financially.
And I look at the opinions of the candidate of course.

If I came off sounding hostile in this post - Im not!
I am tirred and im going to bed. I dont want to re-write this in a more pleasant tone.

Just imagine a merry hobbit in a rainbow-shirt singing this post out loud in the meadows. :biggrin:
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Obama or McCain

Postby Empire495 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:54 pm

i dont know if this been posted yet but.... OBAMA OR MCCAIN....

Im personally goin for obama... seems right at this time...
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Re: Obama or McCain

Postby agonzalez1 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:59 pm

Empire495 wrote:i dont know if this been posted yet but.... OBAMA OR MCCAIN....

Im personally goin for obama... seems right at this time...


Where have you been?

McCain all the way

I'll never vote for obaMAO
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Empire495 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:01 pm

Stand-up_Philosopher wrote:Neither.

I want Ron Paul to be president.

yes and i think i know why :wink:
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby agonzalez1 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:32 am

Some articles to consider:

Obama's 95% Illusion
It depends on what the meaning of 'tax cut' is

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

Jumping Ship...
By Victor Davis Hanson

Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain's and Palin's racism and hatred.

Again, most conservatives know this paradox, but for some being outraged, as the conservative voice of reason, at McCain's supposed low road ensures a CNN spot, or some future rehabilitation during the expected Obama regnum of the next eight years. I think should I write a column suddenly taking the "high road", praising Obama's wit, taste in books, and metrosexuality, I would be dubbed principled rather than cynical, 'even-handed' rather than self-serving, and a maverick rather than toadish.

Yet for a self-acclaimed conservative to vote Obama would mean that higher taxes, larger government, more entitlements, more of a UN-centered foreign policy, dialogue with an Iran, less coal,oil, and nuclear energy production at home, more "oppression" studies and "reparations", leftish Supreme Court judges, open borders (I could go on) were the truly conservative positions, or perhaps suddenly truly the 'right' positions. And as far as ethics go, in fact, a cursory review of the past Obama campaigns would reveal a ruthlessness never seen in any of McCain's efforts. Obama's record is far more left than McCain's is far right. Obama the healer has proven to be the most partisan in the Senate, McCain one of the most bipartisan.

Yet to believe that truth would be--if we remember that scene in Tolkien's The Two Towers--to trust the grating harsh voice of Gandalf detailing the dangers of Saruman rather than the mellifluous charm of the latter who in soothing tones outlines his own victimhood.

Read the rest at: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... _ship.html
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Jim Hellen » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:07 pm

Does anyone realize Obama's only been a senator for 3 years??? And now he's suddenly ready to lead our country, give me a fucking break.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Silverblunt » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:16 pm

agonzalez1 wrote:Some articles to consider:

Obama's 95% Illusion
It depends on what the meaning of 'tax cut' is

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

Jumping Ship...
By Victor Davis Hanson

Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain's and Palin's racism and hatred.

Again, most conservatives know this paradox, but for some being outraged, as the conservative voice of reason, at McCain's supposed low road ensures a CNN spot, or some future rehabilitation during the expected Obama regnum of the next eight years. I think should I write a column suddenly taking the "high road", praising Obama's wit, taste in books, and metrosexuality, I would be dubbed principled rather than cynical, 'even-handed' rather than self-serving, and a maverick rather than toadish.

Yet for a self-acclaimed conservative to vote Obama would mean that higher taxes, larger government, more entitlements, more of a UN-centered foreign policy, dialogue with an Iran, less coal,oil, and nuclear energy production at home, more "oppression" studies and "reparations", leftish Supreme Court judges, open borders (I could go on) were the truly conservative positions, or perhaps suddenly truly the 'right' positions. And as far as ethics go, in fact, a cursory review of the past Obama campaigns would reveal a ruthlessness never seen in any of McCain's efforts. Obama's record is far more left than McCain's is far right. Obama the healer has proven to be the most partisan in the Senate, McCain one of the most bipartisan.

Yet to believe that truth would be--if we remember that scene in Tolkien's The Two Towers--to trust the grating harsh voice of Gandalf detailing the dangers of Saruman rather than the mellifluous charm of the latter who in soothing tones outlines his own victimhood.

Read the rest at: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... _ship.html


HAHA - Metrosexual Obama!

That is one funny and well written article. - I actually bookmarked the site :?

That being said - IMHO the contents of the article is futile.
When its time for a new President to take office, the world will be a totally different place and a tax-cut/increase will not be the first thing on Obamas mind.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby Jinzo » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:13 pm

Silverblunt wrote:
agonzalez1 wrote:Some articles to consider:

Obama's 95% Illusion
It depends on what the meaning of 'tax cut' is

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

Jumping Ship...
By Victor Davis Hanson

Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain's and Palin's racism and hatred.

Again, most conservatives know this paradox, but for some being outraged, as the conservative voice of reason, at McCain's supposed low road ensures a CNN spot, or some future rehabilitation during the expected Obama regnum of the next eight years. I think should I write a column suddenly taking the "high road", praising Obama's wit, taste in books, and metrosexuality, I would be dubbed principled rather than cynical, 'even-handed' rather than self-serving, and a maverick rather than toadish.

Yet for a self-acclaimed conservative to vote Obama would mean that higher taxes, larger government, more entitlements, more of a UN-centered foreign policy, dialogue with an Iran, less coal,oil, and nuclear energy production at home, more "oppression" studies and "reparations", leftish Supreme Court judges, open borders (I could go on) were the truly conservative positions, or perhaps suddenly truly the 'right' positions. And as far as ethics go, in fact, a cursory review of the past Obama campaigns would reveal a ruthlessness never seen in any of McCain's efforts. Obama's record is far more left than McCain's is far right. Obama the healer has proven to be the most partisan in the Senate, McCain one of the most bipartisan.

Yet to believe that truth would be--if we remember that scene in Tolkien's The Two Towers--to trust the grating harsh voice of Gandalf detailing the dangers of Saruman rather than the mellifluous charm of the latter who in soothing tones outlines his own victimhood.

Read the rest at: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... _ship.html


HAHA - Metrosexual Obama!

That is one funny and well written article. - I actually bookmarked the site :?

That being said - IMHO the contents of the article is futile.
When its time for a new President to take office, the world will be a totally different place and a tax-cut/increase will not be the first thing on Obamas mind.


Oh My Goodness, thats from the AEI that's not a great source for references.

Anyhow, I like Mccain my only thing against him is his stance on the war in Iraq. War on Terror and War on Iraq should be distinguished. We do not need to be in Iraq who are we after? Osama Bin Laden cmon US is spending only 88 billion dollars in Afganstan while we're spending over 700 billion dollars in Iraq. Cmon does that make any sense? That's a lot of our tax payers money, yet we complain about the democrat tax increase(NOT that i'm for it) that pales in comparision to what we're going to pay through Inflation & the so called war on terror (Iraq).

That's why I'm all for Ron Paul fix what matters, fix the problems that would cost us the most, then fix the smaller problems.
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby agonzalez1 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:47 pm

Yeah, someone pointed out the AEI on myspace to me and gave me a census beaureau source that doesn't call any thing obama has as a tax increase but a tax "plan".

so sources of information are quickly become very unreliable.

i agree that iraq must be ended. I think it will be very soon. Because of the surge. Obama never supported the war (which is good or bad) but for sure didn't support the surge (which is bad or bad).
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Re: Obama vs. McCain *Poll

Postby OMGLASERGUNPEWPEW » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:55 pm

agonzalez1 wrote:Yeah, someone pointed out the AEI on myspace to me and gave me a census beaureau source that doesn't call any thing obama has as a tax increase but a tax "plan".

so sources of information are quickly become very unreliable.

i agree that iraq must be ended. I think it will be very soon. Because of the surge. Obama never supported the war (which is good or bad) but for sure didn't support the surge (which is bad or bad).


Iraq war will be ended when USA finish their oil robbing business.
Nuclear weapons?!Gimme a break.USA has it,Russia has it.Why the fuck Iran shouldn't have it for protection?So they can get robbed like Iraq did.
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