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Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jacare

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby hawdrigoh » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:45 am

bruins2012 wrote:Ronaldo Souza vs. Jan Blachowicz

Mookie Alexander: Jacare is going to hit a point where he just looks “old.” I think we may be seeing that moment. Souza got really worked over for much of the Jack Hermansson fight, and he’s going up a weight class against someone who does have knockout power and significantly improved takedown defense. If this stays standing, I favor Blachowicz pretty comfortably at this stage. Jacare may be the more well-rounded, powerful fighter but he’s also more battle-worn and I think we’re starting to see him slow down. Jan Blachowicz by unanimous decision.

Zane Simon: It’s not like Jacare can’t win this fight. But, it definitely feels like he’ll need to prove he can. Jack Hermansson pieced him up with his jab in his last bout in the cage, and that’s something Blachowicz is fully capable of doing. Jacare has the wrestling, and clearly the grappling chops to get this to the mat and get the sub. But there are always questions to be asked about fighters moving up who need to rely on takedowns. They’re just harder to get against bigger, stronger opponents. If Jacare can’t take Blachowicz down early, can I pick him to be the better boxer? Blachowicz seems like he’s just too tough and has too many range tools. Jan Blachowicz via decision.

Staff picking Jacare: Nick
Staff picking Blachowicz: Mookie, Stephie, Dayne, Zane, Phil

Mauricio Rua vs. Paul Craig

Mookie Alexander: Right, I can’t let myself get all depressed and trick myself into thinking Paul Craig is just gonna heel hook Shogun. If that happens, Rua retires before he exits the cage. What is sadly possible is Craig winning by club-and-sub again, much like he did in his last bout. Otherwise, Shogun does still hit hard and Craig isn’t exactly difficult to hurt. There’s a massive gap in technical ability and Craig isn’t a great wrestler. Mauricio Rua by PRIDE NEVER DIE, round 1.

Zane Simon: Shogun does seem to get hurt by the first hard shot that clips him in just about every fight. So, even without a lot of power, there’s a chance that Craig could just... land something, and jump on him for the finish. But, Shogun has also shown that to actually be KO’d his opponents still tend to have to be big hitters who can surprise him with well set up shots. Something I don’t think Craig can do. Otherwise, he’s the better boxer by a mile, and Craig still doesn’t have a really functional wrestling game to get to his grappling. Mauricio Rua via KO, round 1.

Phil Mackenzie: What a choice. On the one hand, Shogun is exactly one million years old in fight years and is eminently capable of being punched into dust. On the other hand, Paul Craig, as mentioned, can neither strike nor wrestle particularly well. Mauricio Rua by TKO, round 2.

Staff picking Shogun: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Zane, Phil
Staff picking Craig:

Charles Oliveira vs. Jared Gordon

Mookie Alexander: I really don’t understand this fight. Gordon is tough but he’s aggressive to a fault, and unless he catches Oliveira early, this just feels primed for this improved version of Oliveira to snatch up a guillotine and end things. Basically, the Gordon who scrambled around with Dan Moret cannot replicate that successfully against Oliveira. Charles Oliveira by submission, round 1.

Zane Simon: There’s a chance Gordon could overwhelm Oliveira just with sheer relentlessness (much more technical fighters have done so in the past). But, without that deep well of nuanced grappling and striking techniques, I think it’s more likely that Gordon’s constant aggression just throws him into the woodchipper of Oliveira’s increasingly technical standup game, and the ever dangerous grappling that sits behind it. Expect Gordon to start fast, but the first time he shoots in this fight may be over. Charles Oliveira via submission, round 1.

Phil Mackenzie: They couldn’t book Oliveira-Lentz IV, so I guess we get the next best thing...? Y’know, apart from Chucky Olives getting a ranked opponent or someone who is not some kind of variation on a Nik Lentz theme. Charles Oliveira by submission, round 1.

Staff picking Oliveira: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Zane, Shak, Phil
Staff picking Gordon:

Antonio Arroyo vs. Andre Muniz

Mookie Alexander: Didn’t realize the kid from Malcolm in the Middle was making his UFC debut. Oh, so apparently this is the wrong Muniz. I’ll still pick him. Andre Muniz by TKO, round 2.

Zane Simon: I dunno. Muniz is a lot more seasoned, and very well rounded. But, he’s been put away before, and is a pretty wild, rudimentary striker. Arroyo doesn’t set up his kicks as well as he should, but he’s very good about keeping his guard active and getting up. And he seems like the purely better athlete and more fluid fighter standing. Antonio Arroyo by TKO, round 2.

Staff picking Arroyo: Zane, Phil
Staff picking Muniz: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Shak

Markus Perez vs. Wellington Turman

Mookie Alexander: Turman had a case for beating Karl Roberson, but he just seems too wild to sustain any success in the UFC. Perez has the higher upside between the two and it’s not like he has sound process either. Markus Perez by unanimous decision.

Zane Simon: Turman seems like he relies too much on a basic power wrestling game and aggressive grappling to keep safe. If he just stayed standing and boxed with Perez, he could probably out-work him. But if he shoots in and takes this fight to the mat, it’s hard to see him not getting swept and submitted. Markus Perez by submission, round 2.

Phil Mackenzie: Pretty close fight skill for skill: both wild men with some finishing power. The main thing I’m banking on is honestly that crazy, dynamic Brazilians tend to really show up for the home cards. Markus Perez by submission, round 2.

Staff picking Perez: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Zane, Shak
Staff picking Turman:

Sergio Moraes vs. James Krause

Mookie Alexander: Moraes has some Jorge Gurgel in him, except that chin has been compromised significantly in recent times. Krause isn’t a hard-hitter but he is accurate and can throw in volume, and the Krause who ripped apart Warlley Alves should be able to tear apart Moraes on the feet. James Krause by TKO, round 2.

Zane Simon: I’ve been a fan of Moraes’ stand-n-wang BJJ game for a while now. Which is why it pains me to say that lately he’s just looked bad. He seems slower, more flat footed, and more predictable than ever. Krause doesn’t pack a lot of power, and he’s had a habit of letting himself get clipped in the pocket while trying to be creative, but I just don’t trust any part of Moraes’ striking right now. James Krause by decision.

Phil Mackenzie: Feels like Moraes has been solved at this point. Two straight losses where he plodded around after someone eating calf kicks. Can Krause do that? Probably kind of, although he lacks the pop of both Alves and Martin. Krause’s general lack of physicality (he wasn’t a powerful lightweight, let alone a welter) is always a question mark should he end up in a protracted grappling exchange, but James Krause by decision.

Staff picking Moraes:
Staff picking Krause: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Zane, Shak, Phil

Francisco Trinaldo vs. Bobby Green

Mookie Alexander: I just don’t trust Green to do enough to win rounds. His boxing combinations may look pretty and effective but he lacks consistent volume and significant power to convincingly take decisions. Trinaldo may be 145 years old but he throws with power and in a fight that figures to be close, he may do more damage to win on the scorecards. Francisco Trinaldo by unanimous decision.

Phil Mackenzie: If Trinaldo is going to use lateral movement, body kick and throw the huge left hand, can I trust Bobby Green not to follow him in a big circle and make angry faces while doing jazz hands? I cannot. Francisco Trinaldo by unanimous decision.

Staff picking Trinaldo: Mookie, Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Shak, Phil
Staff picking Green: Zane

Warlley Alves vs. Randy Brown

Mookie Alexander: The Brown who fought and beat up Bryan Barberena is good enough to beat Warlley Alves, I just don’t know if we’ll get that version all the time. Brown doesn’t have any cardio issues and he has the offensive wrestling chops to offset Alves’ power striking. Underrated matchup that shouldn’t be this deep on the prelims, but the pick is Randy Brown by unanimous decision.

Phil Mackenzie: Probably one of the most fascinating matchups on the card, with both men coming off career-best performances. In general the strengths and weaknesses seem to line up for Brown: if Krause was able to strand Alves on the end of his jab, then Brown has more reach, and hits way harder. Brown still has some question marks around his takedown (Belal Remember The Name Muhammad), leg kick (BRTNM again) and grappling (Niko Price? A little debatable) defense, but that Barbarena fight was honestly about as clean and controlled a performance as you could hope to see. Randy Brown by TKO, round 2.

Staff picking Alves: Stephie, Nick, Dayne, Shak
Staff picking Brown: Zane, Mookie, Phil




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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby philphan » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:05 pm

Why can't you pillars just get along. Just try to be cool like Pillar Dcon and Pillar KOP and show up to chat once in a while. :mrgreen:
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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby hawdrigoh » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:57 pm

philphan wrote:Why can't you pillars just get along. Just try to be cool like Pillar Dcon and Pillar KOP and show up to chat once in a while. :mrgreen:


Now, now Phil. Everyone's just having fun. No need to create drama ;)

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby philphan » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:24 pm

hawdrigoh wrote:
philphan wrote:Why can't you pillars just get along. Just try to be cool like Pillar Dcon and Pillar KOP and show up to chat once in a while. :mrgreen:


Now, now Phil. Everyone's just having fun. No need to create drama ;)

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby PBells » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:10 am

God that fucking sucked
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Lol at Renan...
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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby hawdrigoh » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:09 am

Only managed to see Shogun-Craig. Should have been Shogun 29-28 imho. Shogun :heart:

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby TFlock » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:48 am

Jynxer wrote:Lol at Renan...

I know eh? I can’t think of any former champ that has fallen as much as Barao :shock:
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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby bruins2012 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:52 am

My gifs were spot on on once again.

Card was boring.

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby hawdrigoh » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:14 am

Shogun was the card. Him winning was one of the best things to happen in MMA in recent memory. Robberies won't stop him.

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby DeceptaCon » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:47 pm

hawdrigoh wrote:Shogun was the card. Him winning was one of the best things to happen in MMA in recent memory. Robberies won't stop him.

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby Oldtoby420 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:20 pm

Wow no shocker a Brazil card no doubt stacked in the home towns favor that ended up being bunch of fights with guys fighting not to lose, glad I missed this one cuz I forgot about it & decided to binge watch Britania on Amazon instead. :lol:
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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby hawdrigoh » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:23 pm

DeceptaCon wrote:
hawdrigoh wrote:Shogun was the card. Him winning was one of the best things to happen in MMA in recent memory. Robberies won't stop him.

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He turned Bear Jew into panicked Bear. Layed on his back the whole fight, even with success in his standup he was scared to stand and bang with Papa Bear.


The panic truly set in when he stared across the cage at the legend. In the end he was just honored to lay there and get his ass kicked while pretending to throw up some sub attempts.

There was never any doubt. I can't even imagine anyone betting on Craig to win, what an embarrassment that would be.

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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby philphan » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:32 pm

Shogun is such a warrior, and got robbed in that fight. He took some nice shots in the first, only to come back and win the 2nd and the 3rd. Even if he lost the first 10-8, he had to have had a 10-8 himself in the second, he controlled the whole round. Either way it is a good reminder of what a warrior he has always been. I hope he has a few more left in him. War Shogun. :hand1:
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Re: Official Discussion: UFC on ESPN+ 22: Blachowicz vs. Jac

Postby DeceptaCon » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:57 pm

philphan wrote:Shogun is such a warrior, and got robbed in that fight. He took some nice shots in the first, only to come back and win the 2nd and the 3rd. Even if he lost the first 10-8, he had to have had a 10-8 himself in the second, he controlled the whole round. Either way it is a good reminder of what a warrior he has always been. I hope he has a few more left in him. War Shogun. :hand1:

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