NoneSoVile wrote:mcpoopants wrote:one unexplained occurrence that makes the theory of religion or an actual human spirit seems almost plausible are ghost, i mean they are documented, they're real and and science can't explain it.
I disagree. I think ghosts (along with bigfoot, lochness and cave trolls) are all fictional with zero scientific evidence. The documentation of "ghosts" is usually in the form of a person making alot of money off of their story/experience.
There is also zero evidence of there being a "spirit" or magical life form dwelling in each human being, seperating us from animals. This whole spirit nonsense was created to give people an arrogance over other life on earth (in my opinion) and, unfortunate as it sounds, we are equal to the rest of the life on this planet. As much as I would love to live the fantasy, we go the same place a cat goes when it dies.
As a matter of fact, I like my cat more than most people I know. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
NoneSoVile wrote:Good posts Shaka,
Yea I like to feel we're on equal level with other life forms on this planet. We're simpley a highly evolved, highly intelligent (and highly destructive) primate. I can't accept ghosts, spirits or demons...It just doesn't compute in my mind how something like that can exist... but! I totally agree there are species in the ocean with a somewhat mythical appearance and demeanor, that are probably undiscovered or thought extinct.
I hear you, there are certain animals that are amazing and possess incredible abilties...but it's still not an excuse to throw common sense out the window and just accept the fact that, since there are penguins, there's probably demons and magic spirits too. Until there's documented, solid scientific evidence that spirits, demons, the loch ness monster, fairies etc. exist...I'm going to say they don't. Same thing with god.
NoneSoVile wrote:Gotta love this thread, funny how noone else cared to join in?
Interesting points again, and yes the Quran did have some very surprisingly accurate information...but, unlike the bible which speaks in plain words and is proven wrong constantly, the Quran is no different...but it is written more eloquently/vaguely, which leaves room for misinterpretation, and that's even more frightening..I can list one of several disagreements I have with the Quran.
I don't appreciate the ability for a husband to beat the shit out of his wife. To quote the Quran 4:34 "God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient...send them to beds apart and beat them..."
Another thing I don't appreciate about the Quran, if I said these things in certain countries, I would get murdered on the spot. I'm not accusing anyone of being violent, I'm merely point out that these holy books...Are filled with judgement, fear, hate, guilt and lots more nasty shit
People can try to sugar coat it and cherry pick from their prefered holy book...but the fact of the matter remains. It's also 100% impossible for 2 people to pro-create the world. It's been scientifically proven, no questions about it. Do you know what would happen if a son impregnated his mother? A father impregnating his daughter? It's just not even remotely plausible for the human race to originate from a single bloodline.
Now, to talk about the suicide bombings, holy wars, etc. They ARE religious. Just because you don't want them to be, doesn't make it so. You're right, an entire faith should not be judged by a few maniacs...Just like any other group of people...unfortunately the few maniacs are more like millions of blind, scared, brainwashed maniacs. From the christians in america who hate 'fags' to the islamic militants blowing up buses to the african tribes mutilating womens genitiles...What's the difference? Everything 'good' religion does, get's completely outweighed by all the 'bad'.
"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Give a man religion, he'll starve to death praying for a fish."
I also cannot see any signs of god in this world...I think there are logical explanations for every phenomena, there is no need to fit "god" in things we don't quite understand yet. Science has proven religion wrong THOUSANDS of time, religion has NEVER proven ANY of their points... If it's real, there's proof. If there's not a single shred of evidence, it's not real. Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster floating in space? If I had an old book, that said The Spaghetti Monster created the world. Would you believe it? I spoke to the spaghetti monster!!...On a mountain (Noone was around, sound familiar?) If I told you since you were a child it was real...Would you believe it? Just like Santa and the Easter Bunny, we believe what we're told to believe. The human brain works this way. I don't view the world as such a perfect place...The only reason we're told "Oh, you're starving to death? Its just god testing your faith." is so people don't get together and kill the rich people on the other side of town. Unfortunately, we're just a highly evolved upright walking mammal, with a brain too big for our own good.
NoneSoVile wrote:People can try to sugar coat it and cherry pick from their prefered holy book...but the fact of the matter remains. It's also 100% impossible for 2 people to pro-create the world. It's been scientifically proven, no questions about it. Do you know what would happen if a son impregnated his mother? A father impregnating his daughter? It's just not even remotely plausible for the human race to originate from a single bloodline.
thegroovemonkey wrote:Religion works by parents indoctrinating their children. Because these children are told by trusted individuals that their religion is true, they believe it. The myths are then perpetuated by society and the cycle continues into the next generation. Combine that with the tactics used by major religions over the centuries to gain support and it is easy to see how we got to where we are.
PsychoBells wrote:After so long, the kids would be too inbred to survive very well. Plus then we have to think about how one combination of genes can spontaneously diversify itself....thegroovemonkey wrote:Religion works by parents indoctrinating their children. Because these children are told by trusted individuals that their religion is true, they believe it. The myths are then perpetuated by society and the cycle continues into the next generation. Combine that with the tactics used by major religions over the centuries to gain support and it is easy to see how we got to where we are.
Completely agreed. I used to be a Christian. Why? Because my parents were Christians. Why were they Christians? Because they're parents were Christians, and so on and so forth. By the time I turned 18, I was too independent for religion and realized that I was just copying my family.