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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby willis » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:23 pm

Woodley may or may not beat a prime GSP, who's to say.

Can Woodley say that he went through the ringer, lost due to over confidence in a title fight, found a whole new fire which led to setting a record for most title wins in WW? That he came back and beat Bisping in an over the hill match to win ANOTHER title in a different weight class? (I don't care who tries to diminish that win, the fact is, GSP hadn't fought in a hell of a lot longer time than Bisping) Bisping was not only far more active, but he legit, knocked out Rockhold in a last minute match up to win the MW title.

Woodley MAY have that power edge over GSP but do you think GSP is not going to game plan for that? GSP is more technical and more calculated than Woodley and it would not be as easy a win as you think.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby DeceptaCon » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:19 pm

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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby JayKoz » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:49 pm

Its time to admit...

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gsp made bj ask his corner to throw in the towel


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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby EvilGorilla69+1 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:52 pm

JayKoz wrote:Its time to admit...

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gsp made bj ask his corner to throw in the towel


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Vaseline is used to aid cuts in boxing as well as MMA, but applying it to parts of the body other than the face is illegal because of the element of grappling in the sport. A fighter that is "slippery" as a result of the vaseline will have an added advantage, because friction and grip are compromised. UFC President Dana White addressed the issue during a radio appearance in Boston, Massachusetts. He indicated that he did not believe the vaseline influenced the outcome of the fight, but still expected Nurse to be punished.

Penn's brother revealed two days after the bout that the Penn camp would be making a formal complaint to the NSAC. In addition, Penn's head coach, Rudy Valentino alleged that St-Pierre also had an illegal substance on his body during his April 2008 rematch with Matt Serra. NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer confirmed that improprieties had occurred in St-Pierre's corner. He witnessed St-Pierre's cornerman Phil Nurse apply Vaseline to St-Pierre's face and then immediately rub St-Pierre's shoulders and back before Nurse wiped his hands. Kizer had St-Pierre's back wiped down after the second round, and confirmed after the third round that no Vaseline was being applied. Kizer was critical of the cornerman's action, but expressed doubts that the controversy would overturn St-Pierre's victory.

On March 12, 2009, B.J. Penn filed a formal request for investigation to the NSAC stating that St-Pierre used an illegal "greasing" agent on his body during the fight.[50] The formal, written complaint consisted of twenty pages. It began by stating that "other renowned fighters" have also had similar experiences with St-Pierre, that his body was "unnaturally slippery." It continued by accounting an apparent "pre-bout warning" made by Penn's camp to the NSAC that St-Pierre will engage in the illegal application of vaseline. Next, a request to monitor St-Pierre and members of the team to prevent future misconduct was made, namely a monitored shower of St-Pierre and/or hygiene cleansing. The written statement concluded with Penn seeking fines against trainer Greg Jackson, Nurse, and "other unnamed individuals" of $250,000 each. In addition, that St-Pierre's license be suspended or revoked, and that the result of the bout be changed to a no-contest.

St-Pierre's trainer Greg Jackson denied any wrongdoing, stating that Nurse was rubbing and tapping on St-Pierre's body as part of a drill to aid in his breathing techniques. Jackson said that any Vaseline transferred from residue on Nurse's fingers was accidental and wiped off when pointed out. Georges St-Pierre spoke to Sports Illustrated with regard to the controversy stating, "I haven't seen the fight yet, but I remember at some point something happened and the athletic commission was complaining. They used a towel to wet my back and wipe it off. I don't mind. I didn't put Vaseline on myself and I'm not a cheater."However, St-Pierre offered Penn a rematch in the summer that Penn verbally accepted but is unlikely to happen due to the fact they have both since been scheduled for title defenses.

On March 17, 2009, the NSAC held a formal hearing about the matter. Penn, his mother Lorraine Shin, and his attorney were present to make statements. Greg Jackson, Phil Nurse, and St-Pierre's attorney participated in the hearing as the opposing side. St-Pierre himself was not present. Shin read from a written statement, urging the NSAC to "do the right thing", and punish St-Pierre to the "fullest extent of authority." Jackson and Nurse apologized for the incident, but maintained that they did not knowingly cheat. At the hearing's conclusion, the NSAC Executive Director stated that St-Pierre's victory would not be changed to a no contest, nor would other sanctions, such as the loss of licenses be taken, unless a member of the NSAC files a disciplinary complaint against any of the accused. However, the committee left it ambiguous whether the matter was conclusively closed.



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I think he absolutely, positively knew that he was rubbing grease on him. Do I think Georges was trying to cheat? Absolutely not at all. But that corner man was rubbing grease on him.

— Dana White, post fight at UFC 94.


Bj Penn is 5 losses away from having a losing record.


Entering Tank Abbott territory.....


A liver for BJ
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby DeceptaCon » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:59 pm

EvilGorilla69+1 wrote:
JayKoz wrote:Its time to admit...

Spoiler:
gsp made bj ask his corner to throw in the towel


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Vaseline is used to aid cuts in boxing as well as MMA, but applying it to parts of the body other than the face is illegal because of the element of grappling in the sport. A fighter that is "slippery" as a result of the vaseline will have an added advantage, because friction and grip are compromised. UFC President Dana White addressed the issue during a radio appearance in Boston, Massachusetts. He indicated that he did not believe the vaseline influenced the outcome of the fight, but still expected Nurse to be punished.

Penn's brother revealed two days after the bout that the Penn camp would be making a formal complaint to the NSAC. In addition, Penn's head coach, Rudy Valentino alleged that St-Pierre also had an illegal substance on his body during his April 2008 rematch with Matt Serra. NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer confirmed that improprieties had occurred in St-Pierre's corner. He witnessed St-Pierre's cornerman Phil Nurse apply Vaseline to St-Pierre's face and then immediately rub St-Pierre's shoulders and back before Nurse wiped his hands. Kizer had St-Pierre's back wiped down after the second round, and confirmed after the third round that no Vaseline was being applied. Kizer was critical of the cornerman's action, but expressed doubts that the controversy would overturn St-Pierre's victory.

On March 12, 2009, B.J. Penn filed a formal request for investigation to the NSAC stating that St-Pierre used an illegal "greasing" agent on his body during the fight.[50] The formal, written complaint consisted of twenty pages. It began by stating that "other renowned fighters" have also had similar experiences with St-Pierre, that his body was "unnaturally slippery." It continued by accounting an apparent "pre-bout warning" made by Penn's camp to the NSAC that St-Pierre will engage in the illegal application of vaseline. Next, a request to monitor St-Pierre and members of the team to prevent future misconduct was made, namely a monitored shower of St-Pierre and/or hygiene cleansing. The written statement concluded with Penn seeking fines against trainer Greg Jackson, Nurse, and "other unnamed individuals" of $250,000 each. In addition, that St-Pierre's license be suspended or revoked, and that the result of the bout be changed to a no-contest.

St-Pierre's trainer Greg Jackson denied any wrongdoing, stating that Nurse was rubbing and tapping on St-Pierre's body as part of a drill to aid in his breathing techniques. Jackson said that any Vaseline transferred from residue on Nurse's fingers was accidental and wiped off when pointed out. Georges St-Pierre spoke to Sports Illustrated with regard to the controversy stating, "I haven't seen the fight yet, but I remember at some point something happened and the athletic commission was complaining. They used a towel to wet my back and wipe it off. I don't mind. I didn't put Vaseline on myself and I'm not a cheater."However, St-Pierre offered Penn a rematch in the summer that Penn verbally accepted but is unlikely to happen due to the fact they have both since been scheduled for title defenses.

On March 17, 2009, the NSAC held a formal hearing about the matter. Penn, his mother Lorraine Shin, and his attorney were present to make statements. Greg Jackson, Phil Nurse, and St-Pierre's attorney participated in the hearing as the opposing side. St-Pierre himself was not present. Shin read from a written statement, urging the NSAC to "do the right thing", and punish St-Pierre to the "fullest extent of authority." Jackson and Nurse apologized for the incident, but maintained that they did not knowingly cheat. At the hearing's conclusion, the NSAC Executive Director stated that St-Pierre's victory would not be changed to a no contest, nor would other sanctions, such as the loss of licenses be taken, unless a member of the NSAC files a disciplinary complaint against any of the accused. However, the committee left it ambiguous whether the matter was conclusively closed.



St Pierre - BJ Penn
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I think he absolutely, positively knew that he was rubbing grease on him. Do I think Georges was trying to cheat? Absolutely not at all. But that corner man was rubbing grease on him.

— Dana White, post fight at UFC 94.


Bj Penn is 5 losses away from having a losing record.


Entering Tank Abbott territory.....


A liver for BJ

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1st fight robbed by judges

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2nd fight Dana said GSP was in big trouble for greasing should have been a NC

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NTM GSP missed weight in a title fight against Nick Diaz and poisoned him too.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby YMCA » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:46 am

:lol:

No. Just no.

Whatever you've been smoking, snorting, shooting or drinking (like TWood's bag sweat)...just stop. Go to detox.

This isn't even clever trolling, let alone a well presented and defended position.

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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby DeceptaCon » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:25 pm

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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby abcd » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:33 pm

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Pete spratt, mayhem, hieron, bisping, Hughes, Hendricks, trigg, koshcheck, hardy, shields, condit and Diaz are definitely small guys.
Menjivar, Penn and Serra were definitely undersized but had Woodley been competing in the same era in the same area his resumè would have a couple mismatches like that.
Alves tried 155 and we saw how that went but I assume you count that one too.
I'm not even a GSP fan, I'm just also not a fucking retard.
28 fights, 4 against undersized opponents, Con needs to take his shoes off and get his mom to help him figure this math out.

:lol: :lol: GSP never fought Rory so that would have been the main measuring stick. All I'm saying its a good thing GSP vacated the WW division when he did, GSP could have easily came back fought Woodley for the title again, why do you think he didn't? This is not some BS hypothetical situation that could have never happened due to different eras, they were in the same era and GSP came back to fight Bisping not Woodley b/c he knew Tyron would have slept him.
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He ducked his legacy at ww to fight an old man with one eye. Then ducked the rightful Challenger in that division too because he was "too big" even though they both moved up from 170.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby philphan » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:54 pm

This debate can rage on for years. Let's try to simplify. Which fighter holds the most wins over fighters in the Hall Of Fame or will be in the future?
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby DeceptaCon » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:29 pm

philphan wrote:This debate can rage on for years. Let's try to simplify. Which fighter holds the most wins over fighters in the Hall Of Fame or will be in the future?

Woodley has wins over:

Maia
Kos
Condit
Lawler

all future HOFers

GSP has wins over
Penn
Hughes
Kos
Condit
Fitch

all future HOFers
got KTFO by Matt Serra' HOFer then avenged loss, got beat by Hughes avenged loss, arguably got beat by Penn in first fight and got beat into retirement by Hendricks.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby philphan » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:49 pm

DeceptaCon wrote:
philphan wrote:This debate can rage on for years. Let's try to simplify. Which fighter holds the most wins over fighters in the Hall Of Fame or will be in the future?

Woodley has wins over:

Maia
Kos
Condit
Lawler

all future HOFers

GSP has wins over
Penn x2
Hughesx2
Kos x2
Condit
Fitch
Serra
Shields
Bisping

all future HOFers
got KTFO by Matt Serra' HOFer then avenged loss, got beat by Hughes avenged loss, arguably got beat by Penn in first fight and got beat into retirement by Hendricks.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby DeceptaCon » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:27 pm

philphan wrote:
DeceptaCon wrote:
philphan wrote:This debate can rage on for years. Let's try to simplify. Which fighter holds the most wins over fighters in the Hall Of Fame or will be in the future?

Woodley has wins over:

Maia
Kos
Condit
Lawler

all future HOFers

GSP has wins over
Penn x2
Hughesx2
Kos x2
Condit
Fitch
Serra
Shields
Bisping

all future HOFers
got KTFO by Matt Serra' HOFer then avenged loss, got beat by Hughes avenged loss, arguably got beat by Penn in first fight and got beat into retirement by Hendricks.
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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby bruins2012 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:58 am

I already settled this argument.

Don’t be a bum.

Just admit the truth.

GSP is the GOAT.

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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby hawdrigoh » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:10 pm

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Prime, five rounds, 100%, motivated, healthy knees Lawler beats both in the same night with violence to spare.


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Re: Its time to admit. . . .

Postby PBells » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:17 pm

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