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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:43 pm

MurderfaceMMA wrote:
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PainDog wrote:Shuck your motherland isn't Israel even if the location it was founded was the homeland of some of your ancestors at one point.

Israel is a very modern country with a very specific origin.

It would be like me claiming my homeland is Yemen because according to tradition the Khuzaei tribe originated there thousands of years ago.

As far as Will visiting the Middle East...if he doesnt have funds to reach here all he needs to do is ask, because I would personally finance his trip here.


That is a very interesting statement Pain. Did you live in Yemen growing up? Does everyone of your relatives currently live there?

Regarding your offer to Will, very generous of you but didn't you refuse to meet up w/Frag when he visited your Country after claiming you would? Would hate to see Will get stuck somewhere in Qatar on his own.. that pessimism aside, Will, please take him up on his offer, they have internet access in the middleast so you can continue to post on this thread, promise this will help your cause!

Pain, do you guys plan on visiting Israel?.. Actually never asked you, have you been there? Plz don't forgot to respond to the 1st Qs, Ty

Pain dog is a muslim, so naturally hes here to tell you that Israel doesnt belong to jews. What a surprise. :roll:


I lost a sigbet to Pain & he had me post the recital when people become muslim & a vid about a man that converted to Islam.. used me to convert linkers :lol:

He has shown to be extremely biased towards his fellow countrymen / religion, covering up for Khabib at all costs.. but even if I completely disagree w/him at times I can still hold a sane convo w/em, unlike Will who seems to be long gone
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:55 pm

willmma wrote:
shuck wrote:Nice , never did you mention this before, but glad to see you finally admitting it



WHAT??

willmma wrote:You exaggerate Hamas' power. They are dominant in Gaza. But very weak presence in the west bank


willmma wrote:And fine, So, dont make peace with Hamas. Don't make peace with Gaza. But in the WB Israel can show good will. They can give the pro-peace camp on the Palestinian side a chance by rewarding their cooperation. Dismantle settlements. Dismantle check points. Stop demolishing homes. 


willmma wrote:In Gaza Hamas has armed trained troops. They have Rockets that can reach Tel Aviv. They have Kornet missiles that can hit Israeli tanks.
In WB Hamas resorts to drive-by shootings and knife attacks. Lone wolf attacks. The PA has clamped down on them hard. That's hardly a presence, that like having Hell's Angels - which ordinary police can handle.


willmma wrote:Hamas a fringe party that only rules Gaza accepted 67 border


willmma wrote:I'm sure Shuck finds this completely acceptable because somewhere in Gaza Hamas may have or have not said something to his liking


willmma wrote:I told you on day one, dont make peace with Hamas or Gaza - just the West Bank, until Hamas recognizes Israel or relinquishes control of Gaza to the PA


willmma wrote:But the bottom line is
Gaza (Hamas: rockets and no recognition of Israel) = No settlements. No Israeli thugs on the streets abusing Palestinians. No Checkpoints
WB (PA: Recognize Israel and 2 states, security coordination) = Many settlements, check points everywhere, Israeli thugs abusing Palestinians everywhere


willmma wrote:Where did I say there are no Hamas in the WB? Hamas is dominant in Gaza. Leadership is in Gaza. Hamas SPEAKS from Gaza. Now go back and re read what I said, you dumdum. That doesnt say there is no Hamas in the WB. There are Hamas members in the WB like there are PA members in Gaza.


Now Israel has never made ending the occupation conditional on Hamas. Israel is saying it WILL NEVER ALLOW A PALESTINIAN STATE. No conditions. No ifs.

That makes what Hamas does irrelevant.

And I told you a million times, even Hamas which is the dominant force in gaza, recognizes the PA as the Palestinian government


Did you miss the quotes? "STRONG MILITARY".. was pointed out very clearly, when have you ever said that?

So you expect Israel to consider the threat of a "STRONG MILITARY" at its borders, that won't recognize it as a State & live for its destruction as an "Irrelevant" factor in the peace process?.. because according to a Canadian who is too fearful to visit that region tells them that the PA is really in charge?

Can you not grasp how ridiculous your logic is Will? Its legit scary the thought process that you are trying to use to rationalize your stance.
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby PainDog » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:03 pm

Shuck wrote:
MurderfaceMMA wrote:
Shuck wrote:
PainDog wrote:Shuck your motherland isn't Israel even if the location it was founded was the homeland of some of your ancestors at one point.

Israel is a very modern country with a very specific origin.

It would be like me claiming my homeland is Yemen because according to tradition the Khuzaei tribe originated there thousands of years ago.

As far as Will visiting the Middle East...if he doesnt have funds to reach here all he needs to do is ask, because I would personally finance his trip here.


That is a very interesting statement Pain. Did you live in Yemen growing up? Does everyone of your relatives currently live there?

Regarding your offer to Will, very generous of you but didn't you refuse to meet up w/Frag when he visited your Country after claiming you would? Would hate to see Will get stuck somewhere in Qatar on his own.. that pessimism aside, Will, please take him up on his offer, they have internet access in the middleast so you can continue to post on this thread, promise this will help your cause!

Pain, do you guys plan on visiting Israel?.. Actually never asked you, have you been there? Plz don't forgot to respond to the 1st Qs, Ty

Pain dog is a muslim, so naturally hes here to tell you that Israel doesnt belong to jews. What a surprise. :roll:


I lost a sigbet to Pain & he had me post the recital when people become muslim & a vid about a man that converted to Islam.. used me to convert linkers :lol:

He has shown to be extremely biased towards his fellow countrymen / religion, covering up for Khabib at all costs.. but even if I completely disagree w/him at times I can still hold a sane convo w/em, unlike Will who seems to be long gone


Shuck you do have this tendency to try and twist every statement into some sort of personal attack.

I never knew Frag came to Qatar when he came. He never sent me a PM when he came, all he did was post in the Linker get together thread at a point in time when I rarely was visiting the site. If Frag came I would gladly meet up with him, and allow him to see that the Arabic version of the dishes we have in common with the Greeks are far superior :lol: .
That is entirely different than claiming “I refused” to meet him

Also, I don’t hold any bias towards fighters of any particular religion. While you might find I do tend to support fighters from certain ethnic backgrounds, like fighters from the Middle East or the Caucuses that happen to be Muslim, it is more to do with where they come from than what religion they are.

As far as your sig that you lost in the sig bet, you know that it was more to be a funny than to actually try and convert anyone to Islam. Personally, I found it particularly amusing given your Jewish heritage.

I have never been to Israel. The closest I have been in near the Israeli border in Jordan. I do know many Palestinians though that still have parents, siblings, and even children in the West Bank and Gaza.

I have never been to Yemen, and I do not wish to go there given what the US and their allies are currently doing to the country.

Just dealing with heritage, there is a village in Palestine named after my tribe.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoP ... index.html
http://nena-news.it/survivors-massacre- ... n-shields/

I could go claim it belongs to me I guess…it even has my name on it.

If you were born in Israel then I would acknowledge you have connections to the land. I was under the impression that you were born and raised in the US, with perhaps some relatives living Israel.
That doesn’t change the fact though, my dear Shuck, that the principals in which Israel was created resulted in radical groups like Hamas emerging.
Personally, what ever you want to call Hamas, and however bad they may be, they are a product of a situation, not the cause of the situation.

Again, for me it is like blaming the historical segregation that existed in the United States on more militant black rights movements, when the movements only existed because of segregation.
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby willmma » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:08 pm

Shuck wrote:
willmma wrote:Now Israel has never made ending the occupation conditional on Hamas. Israel is saying it WILL NEVER ALLOW A PALESTINIAN STATE. No conditions. No ifs.

That makes what Hamas does irrelevant.

And I told you a million times, even Hamas which is the dominant force in gaza, recognizes the PA as the Palestinian government


Did you miss the quotes? "STRONG MILITARY".. was pointed out very clearly, when have you ever said that?

So you expect Israel to consider the threat of a "STRONG MILITARY" at its borders, that won't recognize it as a State & live for its destruction as an "Irrelevant" factor in the peace process?.. because according to a Canadian who is too fearful to visit that region tells them that the PA is really in charge?

Can you not grasp how ridiculous your logic is Will? Its legit scary the thought process that you are trying to use to rationalize your stance.


A response like that tells me you didnt read anything.

I will repeat for clarity.

Israel says there will never be a Palestinian state. Whether hamas has a strong military or not. whether hamas exists or not. if hamas accepts two state solution or not. If every hamas member disarms tomorrow. If every hamas member dies tomorrow. Israel's stance is not based on hamas. Israel is against the two state solution. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state.

Israel is not looking for a way to co-exist peacefully but finding Hamas's strong military to be a problem. Israel just does not want to coexist peacefully.
So, what hamas does, more weapons or less weapons ends up being irrelevant

Also, when Israel beats up civilians in the west bank, it is not because of what Hamas is doing. What hamas is doing is irrelevant to the equation that formulates Israeli actions.

When Israel shoots to kill father and son together in the west bank, this has nothing to do with Hamas. This is the occupation at work.




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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Shuck you do have this tendency to try and twist every statement into some sort of personal attack.

I never knew Frag came to Qatar when he came. He never sent me a PM when he came, all he did was post in the Linker get together thread at a point in time when I rarely was visiting the site. If Frag came I would gladly meet up with him, and allow him to see that the Arabic version of the dishes we have in common with the Greeks are far superior :lol: .
That is entirely different than claiming “I refused” to meet him

Also, I don’t hold any bias towards fighters of any particular religion. While you might find I do tend to support fighters from certain ethnic backgrounds, like fighters from the Middle East or the Caucuses that happen to be Muslim, it is more to do with where they come from than what religion they are.

As far as your sig that you lost in the sig bet, you know that it was more to be a funny than to actually try and convert anyone to Islam. Personally, I found it particularly amusing given your Jewish heritage.

I have never been to Israel. The closest I have been in near the Israeli border in Jordan. I do know many Palestinians though that still have parents, siblings, and even children in the West Bank and Gaza.

I have never been to Yemen, and I do not wish to go there given what the US and their allies are currently doing to the country.

Just dealing with heritage, there is a village in Palestine named after my tribe.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoP ... index.html
http://nena-news.it/survivors-massacre- ... n-shields/

I could go claim it belongs to me I guess…it even has my name on it.

If you were born in Israel then I would acknowledge you have connections to the land. I was under the impression that you were born and raised in the US, with perhaps some relatives living Israel.
That doesn’t change the fact though, my dear Shuck, that the principals in which Israel was created resulted in radical groups like Hamas emerging.
Personally, what ever you want to call Hamas, and however bad they may be, they are a product of a situation, not the cause of the situation.

Again, for me it is like blaming the historical segregation that existed in the United States on more militant black rights movements, when the movements only existed because of segregation.


You come out & tell someone that a country isn't their motherland by comparing it to a country that you have never been to & don't expect to get some kind of kickback? Your forte is being passive aggressive, I don't mind it, but I don't fall for it

I didn't know the details of the frag meetup but I do recall him askn you a few times on here why you never met up & I never saw a response. So if he has no beef about it then I clearly misread it.

The gif was gdamn hilarious.. but even wts I still think you are lookn to push your religion on others here, is what it is

You refused to put any blame on Khabib for the brawl, zero, so I called it like I saw it.

You compared Yemen to your motherland as Israel is to mine & you have never even been there.. I was born in the states, moved to Israel right after, lived there till I was 6, everyone of my relatives is still there (over 50+), visit every few yrs, dual citizen. While you bring up "personal attacks", I'd say you telling someone which country is & isn't one's motherland can fall under that category

My dear Pain, the principals in which present day Israel was ressurrected was the palestinians & their neighbors (which have since abandoned them) choosing war over a 2 state solution.. they refused to recognize it as a State then like they do now.. so if you want to blame anyone for creating the radicals I'd say choose the ancestors that chose poorly
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:57 pm

willmma wrote:
Shuck wrote:
willmma wrote:Now Israel has never made ending the occupation conditional on Hamas. Israel is saying it WILL NEVER ALLOW A PALESTINIAN STATE. No conditions. No ifs.

That makes what Hamas does irrelevant.

And I told you a million times, even Hamas which is the dominant force in gaza, recognizes the PA as the Palestinian government


Did you miss the quotes? "STRONG MILITARY".. was pointed out very clearly, when have you ever said that?

So you expect Israel to consider the threat of a "STRONG MILITARY" at its borders, that won't recognize it as a State & live for its destruction as an "Irrelevant" factor in the peace process?.. because according to a Canadian who is too fearful to visit that region tells them that the PA is really in charge?

Can you not grasp how ridiculous your logic is Will? Its legit scary the thought process that you are trying to use to rationalize your stance.


A response like that tells me you didnt read anything.

I will repeat for clarity.

Israel says there will never be a Palestinian state. Whether hamas has a strong military or not. whether hamas exists or not. if hamas accepts two state solution or not. If every hamas member disarms tomorrow. If every hamas member dies tomorrow. Israel's stance is not based on hamas. Israel is against the two state solution. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state.

Israel is not looking for a way to co-exist peacefully but finding Hamas's strong military to be a problem. Israel just does not want to coexist peacefully.
So, what hamas does, more weapons or less weapons ends up being irrelevant

Also, when Israel beats up civilians in the west bank, it is not because of what Hamas is doing. What hamas is doing is irrelevant to the equation that formulates Israeli actions.

When Israel shoots to kill father and son together in the west bank, this has nothing to do with Hamas. This is the occupation at work.




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Why is your history oh so selective?

Who was the 1st side to refuse to Co-Exist? Why does your history seem to miss some key dates?

You can't bring yourself to admit that a "STRONG MILITARY" that refuses to recognize the other side may just be part of the issue why there is no peace.. you can't do that because any sort of blame on the Palestinian side refuses to register

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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby PainDog » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:10 pm

Shuck wrote:
Shuck you do have this tendency to try and twist every statement into some sort of personal attack.

I never knew Frag came to Qatar when he came. He never sent me a PM when he came, all he did was post in the Linker get together thread at a point in time when I rarely was visiting the site. If Frag came I would gladly meet up with him, and allow him to see that the Arabic version of the dishes we have in common with the Greeks are far superior :lol: .
That is entirely different than claiming “I refused” to meet him

Also, I don’t hold any bias towards fighters of any particular religion. While you might find I do tend to support fighters from certain ethnic backgrounds, like fighters from the Middle East or the Caucuses that happen to be Muslim, it is more to do with where they come from than what religion they are.

As far as your sig that you lost in the sig bet, you know that it was more to be a funny than to actually try and convert anyone to Islam. Personally, I found it particularly amusing given your Jewish heritage.

I have never been to Israel. The closest I have been in near the Israeli border in Jordan. I do know many Palestinians though that still have parents, siblings, and even children in the West Bank and Gaza.

I have never been to Yemen, and I do not wish to go there given what the US and their allies are currently doing to the country.

Just dealing with heritage, there is a village in Palestine named after my tribe.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoP ... index.html
http://nena-news.it/survivors-massacre- ... n-shields/

I could go claim it belongs to me I guess…it even has my name on it.

If you were born in Israel then I would acknowledge you have connections to the land. I was under the impression that you were born and raised in the US, with perhaps some relatives living Israel.
That doesn’t change the fact though, my dear Shuck, that the principals in which Israel was created resulted in radical groups like Hamas emerging.
Personally, what ever you want to call Hamas, and however bad they may be, they are a product of a situation, not the cause of the situation.

Again, for me it is like blaming the historical segregation that existed in the United States on more militant black rights movements, when the movements only existed because of segregation.


You come out & tell someone that a country isn't their motherland by comparing it to a country that you have never been to & don't expect to get some kind of kickback? Your forte is being passive aggressive, I don't mind it, but I don't fall for it

I didn't know the details of the frag meetup but I do recall him askn you a few times on here why you never met up & I never saw a response. So if he has no beef about it then I clearly misread it.

The gif was gdamn hilarious.. but even wts I still think you are lookn to push your religion on others here, is what it is

You refused to put any blame on Khabib for the brawl, zero, so I called it like I saw it.

You compared Yemen to your motherland as Israel is to mine & you have never even been there.. I was born in the states, moved to Israel right after, lived there till I was 6, everyone of my relatives is still there (over 50+), visit every few yrs, dual citizen. While you bring up "personal attacks", I'd say you telling someone which country is & isn't one's motherland can fall under that category

My dear Pain, the principals in which present day Israel was ressurrected was the palestinians & their neighbors (which have since abandoned them) choosing war over a 2 state solution.. they refused to recognize it as a State then like they do now.. so if you want to blame anyone for creating the radicals I'd say choose the ancestors that chose poorly


I dont know Frag feels about things, but I definitely responded to him as soon as I became aware that he visited here.

I am not religious and have written much more on evolutionary biology and science than I have any other non-MMA related topics. Please check out my threads here in off topic.

Though if people converted to Islam to express their spirituality while viewing the stories as being apocryphal I would be ok with it...perhaps even encourage it.

If let's say a Christian Syrian was competing against a Muslim Bengali...I of course would cheer for the Syrian. Any sorts of biases I have for fighters is more national/ethnic than religious based.

I regret what Khabib did after the Conor fight and never defended him. The only thing I mentioned regarding that event was Conor also played a role and shares some of the responsibility.

I wouldn't say telling someone what constitutes their homeland is a personal attack...especially if their argument for that place being there homeland was not based on any logical reasoning.

I could start calling Japan my homeland and it really wouldn't make any sense and if you called me out on it...it would be justified.

You apparently have a personal connection to Israel and that is something I can respect. Whatever the history of the country and the acts of government, there are now a few generations of Jews from different parts of the world that has only known Israel as their home.

The claims that Israel is the homeland of the Jews because thousands of years ago they were there...is a point that I do have issues with, and would be very much akin to me claiming Yemen as my homeland.
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:07 am

PainDog wrote:
Shuck wrote:
Shuck you do have this tendency to try and twist every statement into some sort of personal attack.

I never knew Frag came to Qatar when he came. He never sent me a PM when he came, all he did was post in the Linker get together thread at a point in time when I rarely was visiting the site. If Frag came I would gladly meet up with him, and allow him to see that the Arabic version of the dishes we have in common with the Greeks are far superior :lol: .
That is entirely different than claiming “I refused” to meet him

Also, I don’t hold any bias towards fighters of any particular religion. While you might find I do tend to support fighters from certain ethnic backgrounds, like fighters from the Middle East or the Caucuses that happen to be Muslim, it is more to do with where they come from than what religion they are.

As far as your sig that you lost in the sig bet, you know that it was more to be a funny than to actually try and convert anyone to Islam. Personally, I found it particularly amusing given your Jewish heritage.

I have never been to Israel. The closest I have been in near the Israeli border in Jordan. I do know many Palestinians though that still have parents, siblings, and even children in the West Bank and Gaza.

I have never been to Yemen, and I do not wish to go there given what the US and their allies are currently doing to the country.

Just dealing with heritage, there is a village in Palestine named after my tribe.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoP ... index.html
http://nena-news.it/survivors-massacre- ... n-shields/

I could go claim it belongs to me I guess…it even has my name on it.

If you were born in Israel then I would acknowledge you have connections to the land. I was under the impression that you were born and raised in the US, with perhaps some relatives living Israel.
That doesn’t change the fact though, my dear Shuck, that the principals in which Israel was created resulted in radical groups like Hamas emerging.
Personally, what ever you want to call Hamas, and however bad they may be, they are a product of a situation, not the cause of the situation.

Again, for me it is like blaming the historical segregation that existed in the United States on more militant black rights movements, when the movements only existed because of segregation.


You come out & tell someone that a country isn't their motherland by comparing it to a country that you have never been to & don't expect to get some kind of kickback? Your forte is being passive aggressive, I don't mind it, but I don't fall for it

I didn't know the details of the frag meetup but I do recall him askn you a few times on here why you never met up & I never saw a response. So if he has no beef about it then I clearly misread it.

The gif was gdamn hilarious.. but even wts I still think you are lookn to push your religion on others here, is what it is

You refused to put any blame on Khabib for the brawl, zero, so I called it like I saw it.

You compared Yemen to your motherland as Israel is to mine & you have never even been there.. I was born in the states, moved to Israel right after, lived there till I was 6, everyone of my relatives is still there (over 50+), visit every few yrs, dual citizen. While you bring up "personal attacks", I'd say you telling someone which country is & isn't one's motherland can fall under that category

My dear Pain, the principals in which present day Israel was ressurrected was the palestinians & their neighbors (which have since abandoned them) choosing war over a 2 state solution.. they refused to recognize it as a State then like they do now.. so if you want to blame anyone for creating the radicals I'd say choose the ancestors that chose poorly


I dont know Frag feels about things, but I definitely responded to him as soon as I became aware that he visited here.

I am not religious and have written much more on evolutionary biology and science than I have any other non-MMA related topics. Please check out my threads here in off topic.

Though if people converted to Islam to express their spirituality while viewing the stories as being apocryphal I would be ok with it...perhaps even encourage it.

If let's say a Christian Syrian was competing against a Muslim Bengali...I of course would cheer for the Syrian. Any sorts of biases I have for fighters is more national/ethnic than religious based.

I regret what Khabib did after the Conor fight and never defended him. The only thing I mentioned regarding that event was Conor also played a role and shares some of the responsibility.

I wouldn't say telling someone what constitutes their homeland is a personal attack...especially if their argument for that place being there homeland was not based on any logical reasoning.

I could start calling Japan my homeland and it really wouldn't make any sense and if you called me out on it...it would be justified.

You apparently have a personal connection to Israel and that is something I can respect. Whatever the history of the country and the acts of government, there are now a few generations of Jews from different parts of the world that has only known Israel as their home.

The claims that Israel is the homeland of the Jews because thousands of years ago they were there...is a point that I do have issues with, and would be very much akin to me claiming Yemen as my homeland.


I can respect that .. a Ill leave the other biz between You & Frag since its none of mine... but plz explain to me how the connection i laid out to Israel doesn't constitute as being based on logical reasoning?

Yes, yes there are Jews that grew up there, like every single one of my relatives, both of my parents lol, you meet them and you think they came off the boat yesterday.. There is no "apparent personal connection" lol, Im a citizen that spent yrs there.. I'm confused how that isn't logical reasoning, how are comparing it to you & japan, or am I just reading this wrong, oddly worded

& feel free to drop a link to one of your off topic threads, will check it out
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby PainDog » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:40 am

Shuck wrote:
PainDog wrote:I dont know Frag feels about things, but I definitely responded to him as soon as I became aware that he visited here.

I am not religious and have written much more on evolutionary biology and science than I have any other non-MMA related topics. Please check out my threads here in off topic.

Though if people converted to Islam to express their spirituality while viewing the stories as being apocryphal I would be ok with it...perhaps even encourage it.

If let's say a Christian Syrian was competing against a Muslim Bengali...I of course would cheer for the Syrian. Any sorts of biases I have for fighters is more national/ethnic than religious based.

I regret what Khabib did after the Conor fight and never defended him. The only thing I mentioned regarding that event was Conor also played a role and shares some of the responsibility.

I wouldn't say telling someone what constitutes their homeland is a personal attack...especially if their argument for that place being there homeland was not based on any logical reasoning.

I could start calling Japan my homeland and it really wouldn't make any sense and if you called me out on it...it would be justified.

You apparently have a personal connection to Israel and that is something I can respect. Whatever the history of the country and the acts of government, there are now a few generations of Jews from different parts of the world that has only known Israel as their home.

The claims that Israel is the homeland of the Jews because thousands of years ago they were there...is a point that I do have issues with, and would be very much akin to me claiming Yemen as my homeland.


I can respect that .. a Ill leave the other biz between You & Frag since its none of mine... but plz explain to me how the connection i laid out to Israel doesn't constitute as being based on logical reasoning?

Yes, yes there are Jews that grew up there, like every single one of my relatives, both of my parents lol, you meet them and you think they came off the boat yesterday.. There is no "apparent personal connection" lol, Im a citizen that spent yrs there.. I'm confused how that isn't logical reasoning, how are comparing it to you & japan, or am I just reading this wrong, oddly worded

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You are reading what I said wrong.

I said you have an apparent personal connection to Israel even in my previous post. Which I acknowledged I was unaware of.

My example with Japan was a reply and an example to your statement, that by my questioning of your homeland, it was a personal attack.

There are times when someone claims a certain place as their homeland that makes no sense and they should be called out on it, like if I said Japan was my homeland or African Americans claiming Egypt as their homeland.

It is factually not true.
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:31 am

PainDog wrote:
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PainDog wrote:I dont know Frag feels about things, but I definitely responded to him as soon as I became aware that he visited here.

I am not religious and have written much more on evolutionary biology and science than I have any other non-MMA related topics. Please check out my threads here in off topic.

Though if people converted to Islam to express their spirituality while viewing the stories as being apocryphal I would be ok with it...perhaps even encourage it.

If let's say a Christian Syrian was competing against a Muslim Bengali...I of course would cheer for the Syrian. Any sorts of biases I have for fighters is more national/ethnic than religious based.

I regret what Khabib did after the Conor fight and never defended him. The only thing I mentioned regarding that event was Conor also played a role and shares some of the responsibility.

I wouldn't say telling someone what constitutes their homeland is a personal attack...especially if their argument for that place being there homeland was not based on any logical reasoning.

I could start calling Japan my homeland and it really wouldn't make any sense and if you called me out on it...it would be justified.

You apparently have a personal connection to Israel and that is something I can respect. Whatever the history of the country and the acts of government, there are now a few generations of Jews from different parts of the world that has only known Israel as their home.

The claims that Israel is the homeland of the Jews because thousands of years ago they were there...is a point that I do have issues with, and would be very much akin to me claiming Yemen as my homeland.


I can respect that .. a Ill leave the other biz between You & Frag since its none of mine... but plz explain to me how the connection i laid out to Israel doesn't constitute as being based on logical reasoning?

Yes, yes there are Jews that grew up there, like every single one of my relatives, both of my parents lol, you meet them and you think they came off the boat yesterday.. There is no "apparent personal connection" lol, Im a citizen that spent yrs there.. I'm confused how that isn't logical reasoning, how are comparing it to you & japan, or am I just reading this wrong, oddly worded

& feel free to drop a link to one of your off topic threads, will check it out


You are reading what I said wrong.

I said you have an apparent personal connection to Israel even in my previous post. Which I acknowledged I was unaware of.

My example with Japan reply and example to your statement by my questioning of your homeland it was a personal attack.

There are times when someone claims a certain place as their homeland makes no sense and they should be called out on it, like if I said Japan was my homeland or African Americans claiming Egypt as their homeland.

It is factually not true.


Was a tad of a confusing read.. but all good then :tup:
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby willmma » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:53 am

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A response like that tells me you didnt read anything.

I will repeat for clarity.

Israel says there will never be a Palestinian state. Whether hamas has a strong military or not. whether hamas exists or not. if hamas accepts two state solution or not. If every hamas member disarms tomorrow. If every hamas member dies tomorrow. Israel's stance is not based on hamas. Israel is against the two state solution. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state.

Israel is not looking for a way to co-exist peacefully but finding Hamas's strong military to be a problem. Israel just does not want to coexist peacefully.
So, what hamas does, more weapons or less weapons ends up being irrelevant

Also, when Israel beats up civilians in the west bank, it is not because of what Hamas is doing. What hamas is doing is irrelevant to the equation that formulates Israeli actions.

When Israel shoots to kill father and son together in the west bank, this has nothing to do with Hamas. This is the occupation at work.




cheers. :beer:


Why is your history oh so selective?

Who was the 1st side to refuse to Co-Exist? Why does your history seem to miss some key dates?

You can't bring yourself to admit that a "STRONG MILITARY" that refuses to recognize the other side may just be part of the issue why there is no peace.. you can't do that because any sort of blame on the Palestinian side refuses to register

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You are still not reading.

I'm not being selective with "history". I'm talking about present day.

Also, I'm not the one who refuses to take hamas into consideration. Israel is not taking it into consideration.

I will spell it out again. Israel is not saying that there is a "Strong military" that is an obstacle to creating a 2 state solution. Only you are saying that. Israel is saying that itself, on its own, of its own behest, will not allow a 2 state solution. Never. Ever. Under no cirumstance.

Today another Israeli minister came out against a Palestinian state calling it a catastrophe.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/257741

And lets not kid ourselves here, there is only one strong military in this equation. The one ranked 16th in the world. the one with over 600K highly trained personnel, the one with fighter jets, tanks, warships, and submarines. And this is the side that is occupying the other side. It is the side that is AGAINST the 2 state solution. The other side has no fighter jets, no tanks, no warships, no submarines and less than 10% of the personnel.

In the meantime, Israel has already murdered at least one child and two women in 2019 - none of which represented a threat to any Israeli.


Like I said, unfortunately the Israeli abuse continues
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby EvilGorilla69+1 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:01 pm

Paindog is right. I never msg'ed him. Too bad, I didn't. Anyway. I want to make another attempt to try and clear out the 'air' with the aid of some bulletpoints.


Some important bulletpoints. 1st of all..It's not the recipe that makes the good food,but the cook. :lol:


Back on topic.

You've got a land that 'belongs' and is occupied by 'Palestinians'. They were there. It's undeniable.

Israel dudes needed a land.

They were given a part of that land.

50 years later they 'occupy'80-90% more square miles,or what not.

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Some people claim that these are the 'good guys'.




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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:38 pm

willmma wrote:
Shuck wrote:
willmma wrote:
A response like that tells me you didnt read anything.

I will repeat for clarity.

Israel says there will never be a Palestinian state. Whether hamas has a strong military or not. whether hamas exists or not. if hamas accepts two state solution or not. If every hamas member disarms tomorrow. If every hamas member dies tomorrow. Israel's stance is not based on hamas. Israel is against the two state solution. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state.

Israel is not looking for a way to co-exist peacefully but finding Hamas's strong military to be a problem. Israel just does not want to coexist peacefully.
So, what hamas does, more weapons or less weapons ends up being irrelevant

Also, when Israel beats up civilians in the west bank, it is not because of what Hamas is doing. What hamas is doing is irrelevant to the equation that formulates Israeli actions.

When Israel shoots to kill father and son together in the west bank, this has nothing to do with Hamas. This is the occupation at work.




cheers. :beer:


Why is your history oh so selective?

Who was the 1st side to refuse to Co-Exist? Why does your history seem to miss some key dates?

You can't bring yourself to admit that a "STRONG MILITARY" that refuses to recognize the other side may just be part of the issue why there is no peace.. you can't do that because any sort of blame on the Palestinian side refuses to register

To 5 More Yrs of time well spent :beer:


You are still not reading.

I'm not being selective with "history". I'm talking about present day.

Also, I'm not the one who refuses to take hamas into consideration. Israel is not taking it into consideration.

I will spell it out again. Israel is not saying that there is a "Strong military" that is an obstacle to creating a 2 state solution. Only you are saying that. Israel is saying that itself, on its own, of its own behest, will not allow a 2 state solution. Never. Ever. Under no cirumstance.

Today another Israeli minister came out against a Palestinian state calling it a catastrophe.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/257741

And lets not kid ourselves here, there is only one strong military in this equation. The one ranked 16th in the world. the one with over 600K highly trained personnel, the one with fighter jets, tanks, warships, and submarines. And this is the side that is occupying the other side. It is the side that is AGAINST the 2 state solution. The other side has no fighter jets, no tanks, no warships, no submarines and less than 10% of the personnel.

In the meantime, Israel has already murdered at least one child and two women in 2019 - none of which represented a threat to any Israeli.


Like I said, unfortunately the Israeli abuse continues


They are that strong because they have to be.. To make sure History won't repeat itself.. Something that I wouldn't expect someone in your shoes to comprehend.

You try to dissect the present w/out acknowledging the past. You keep repeating "2 State" & "Co-Exist" but never do you mention that the Palestinians were the 1st to reject both & choose War instead.

Israel has been open for years in discussing the 2 State Solution.. Its been made very clear that both sides will never budge on the others terms.. that is why present day Israel has its stance, only dummies will continue to go down that endless path.

For someone who is all about Peace & Coexistance, why will you never bring up the fact that the Palestinians were the 1st to reject both? Don't you see that you disregard any fact that puts some blame on the Palestinian side? i.e Hamas a "Strong Military" that refuses to recognize the other, playing a role in there being No Peace
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby willmma » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:57 pm

Shuck wrote:Israel has been open for years in discussing the 2 State Solution.


Are you totally incapable of reading?

The Israeli government is saying it loud and clear:
Prime Minister Netanyahu: never wants a Palestinian state
Nafteli never wants a Palestinian state
Avigdor Leiberman: "doesnt care" for a Palestinian state
Minister of Justice Shaked: No Palestinian state. Also thinks Palestinian blood should be on Israeli hands
Minister of Construction Gallant Dismisses Palestinian state, calls to annex West Bank
Minister of Science Akunis: A Palestinian state is a catastrophe

Where in all of that do you see that Israel is open to a 2 state solution?

Shuck wrote:. Its been made very clear that both sides will never budge on the others terms.. that is why present day Israel has its stance, only dummies will continue to go down that endless path.


terms? Here are the terms:
Israelis: never allow a Palestinian state. Annex the west bank.
Palestinians: accept 2 state solution

if only one of them would budge on their terms, right?


and unfortunately the Israeli abuse continues.
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Re: Israeli Abuse

Postby Shuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:39 pm

willmma wrote:
Shuck wrote:Israel has been open for years in discussing the 2 State Solution.


Are you totally incapable of reading?

The Israeli government is saying it loud and clear:
Prime Minister Netanyahu: never wants a Palestinian state
Nafteli never wants a Palestinian state
Avigdor Leiberman: "doesnt care" for a Palestinian state
Minister of Justice Shaked: No Palestinian state. Also thinks Palestinian blood should be on Israeli hands
Minister of Construction Gallant Dismisses Palestinian state, calls to annex West Bank
Minister of Science Akunis: A Palestinian state is a catastrophe

Where in all of that do you see that Israel is open to a 2 state solution?

Shuck wrote:. Its been made very clear that both sides will never budge on the others terms.. that is why present day Israel has its stance, only dummies will continue to go down that endless path.


terms? Here are the terms:
Israelis: never allow a Palestinian state. Annex the west bank.
Palestinians: accept 2 state solution

if only one of them would budge on their terms, right?


and unfortunately the Israeli abuse continues.


they tried yah goof, why are you so incappable of checking your historical facts

& why are you totally incappable of coming to terms & admitting the facts; that Palestinians & their neighbors chose War instead of "COEXISTANCE" Your favorite word? why can't you bring yourself to acknowledge this simple fact?

that fearful of visiting the Middle East Will? don't you find it a bit pathetic that instead of experiencing something first hand because you may just shatter the lies your mind has manifested all these yrs? Pain is highly dissapointed Im sure but your response was expected

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