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A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:56 pm

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With Roger Gracie vs Tim Kennedy happening at UFC 162, and Jacare already having faced Kennedy.. I figure now would be a good time to take a look back in Jiu Jitsu history and reflect on the legendary (and controversial) grappling matches these two had.


1. 2002 Brown Belt Absolute Mundials: Finals.



The 2002 Mundial Absolute tournament marked the first time these two would meet. Jacare trained under Henrique Muchado (2x BJJ Black Belt) at Associação Sensei de Lutas Esportivas. Roger Gracie of course trained under the Gracie's at the Gracie Academy. The ASLE received an endorsement from Gracie-Barra to send Jacare to the Absolutes where he would go on to sub every opponent he faced until he was pitted against Roger.

As you can see from the video above, Roger defeated Jacare off points and the rivalry was born. Jacare, the more explosive and technical grappler & Roger, the more calm and calculated grappler who can capitalize on any mistake made by his opponent would face eachother 4 more times following this historical matchup.

Roger: 1
Jacare: 0

2. 2004 Black Belt Absolute Mundials: Finals



This matchup, aside from the last minute or so, goes down as one of the best grappling matches of all time. Aware of Jacare's amazing Judo and aggressive takedowns, he pulls guard rather early and goes for a sub attempt. This, however, ended up being reversed as Roger turtles costing him 4 points early in the match. After the opening exchange, Roger would find himself in another favorable position off his back securing the arm of Jacare, cranking it past its breaking point. Unwilling to tap, Jacare spends the remainder of the match with a broken arm. With two minutes to go, Jacare was forced to avoid any exchanges as he was with one arm dangling dead at his side.

Some controversy after the match called for a DQ against Jacare as there was a rule in place that disqualified the fighters if they run from the fight, but the ref did not act on it. Regardless, this year seemed to be the year for Jacare as he later went on to submit Werdum and Margarida.

Roger: 1
Jacare: 1


3. 2005 Black Belt European Tournament: Finals



This match is probably the least exciting of the 5, as many of it was spent standing and hesitating to commit to anything. Roger showed much improved take down defense against Jacare's outstanding Judo, which is definitely something to note. When the fight was on the ground, the Gracie showed outstanding ability to control the fight off his back as well as land a great sweep (7:35) and eventually won the match off points.

Roger: 2
Jacare: 1


4. 2005 Open Class Absolute ADCC: Finals



This would be the first time the two met in a no-Gi setting, and this would also mark the first and only finish the two would ever see against eachother. This match was definitely a Gracie type of match - Jacare was not as aggressive as he usually is and Roger was very calm and collected, battling through adversity as Jacare obtained his back at one point in the match but Gracie fought back and regained a neural position. Following a failed double leg, Roger was able to tie up Jacare and prevent a Judo takedown and obtain Jacare's back dragging him to the ground and sinking in a body lock. Jacare fought his way to his feet but was unable to shake Roger as Roger sunk in a beautiful Rear-Naked Choke forcing Jacare to tap.

Jacare later went on to say that he wasn't sure if the ref was re-centering the two fighters, but watching the video it seems as though that wasn't the case.

Roger: 3
Jacare: 1


5. 2005 Mundial World Tournament Open Class: Finals

Wasn't able to find it on youtube, so here's a dailymotion link.

The final time these two would meet up took place at the 2005 Mundials. This match would mark the second time Jacare would beat Roger, but once again it was covered in controversy. Roger had been winning the match on points prior to what seemed to be the Gracie tripping out of bounds but Jacare being awarded the points for the takedown (10:05), followed by him pulling guard and stalling to maintain his point advantage. Gracie seemed to have control of Jacare before the controversial incident took place which taints the win for Jacare to many fight fans.

However, the fight still had plenty of exciting grappling exchanges as well as some great Judo-defense from Roger Gracie

Roger: 3
Jacare: 2



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When it's all said and done, it's still rather difficult to decide which was the better grappler. Roger had a significant size advantage over Jacare, as did most of his opponents, yet Jacare was still able to find many successes against his larger opponents -- and some would say that is what BJJ is all about, being able to neutralize and defeat larger opponents in self defense. Rogers wins were much more convincing than Jacare's, and much less controversial, which is why I personally consider him to be the better overall grappler. However, their styles are much different as Jacare is much more explosive and aggressive whereas Roger follows the traditional Gracie style of 'wait till you mess up and I capitalize' type of grappling.

None the less, these two BJJ experts put on one of the best rivalries the sport had ever seen and those of you who haven't watched their matches should definitely do so! (I couldn't find any other matchups between the two so if y'all know of any be sure to let me know so I can include them! Video-footage is preferred)


Now, what does this mean for Kennedy? Well, we'll have to wait and see at UFC 162.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby bruins2012 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:04 pm

Both those guys are terrible and way over-hyped! That bjj crap won't work against an expert in the art of murder, like Army Ranger Tim Kennedy. :evil:
I got Kennedy winning in round 1 by bayonette.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:30 pm

bruins2012 wrote:Both those guys are terrible and way over-hyped! That bjj crap won't work against an expert in the art of murder, like Army Ranger Tim Kennedy. :evil:
I got Kennedy winning in round 1 by bayonette.



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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby hawdrigoh » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:50 pm

Now this is a thread, thank you for posting it. The 2004 fight never ceases to amaze me. Personally, I was always impressed Jacare had as much success as he did against Roger. I still think Roger is the best grappler of our time but Jacare is right up there.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby seb » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:24 pm

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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:57 pm

hawdrigoh wrote:Now this is a thread, thank you for posting it. The 2004 fight never ceases to amaze me. Personally, I was always impressed Jacare had as much success as he did against Roger. I still think Roger is the best grappler of our time but Jacare is right up there.


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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby hawdrigoh » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:25 pm

Mikal wrote:
hawdrigoh wrote:Now this is a thread, thank you for posting it. The 2004 fight never ceases to amaze me. Personally, I was always impressed Jacare had as much success as he did against Roger. I still think Roger is the best grappler of our time but Jacare is right up there.


How do you feel about Marcelo Garcia?


Well he is also amazing, so is Estima. These are a few of the guys just below Roger in my opinion, but it is nitpicking when you try to differentiate between superstars. How do you rank them?

I'm curious to see the results of a Linker poll on grappling rankings actually...
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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:31 pm

hawdrigoh wrote:
Mikal wrote:
hawdrigoh wrote:Now this is a thread, thank you for posting it. The 2004 fight never ceases to amaze me. Personally, I was always impressed Jacare had as much success as he did against Roger. I still think Roger is the best grappler of our time but Jacare is right up there.


How do you feel about Marcelo Garcia?


Well he is also amazing, so is Estima. These are a few of the guys just below Roger in my opinion, but it is nitpicking when you try to differentiate between superstars. How do you rank them?

I'm curious to see the results of a Linker poll on grappling rankings actually...


Yeah, I agree about it being nitpicking when you try and separate the top 3 or so. For me, it's definitely Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, and Ronaldo Souza has 1a, 1b, and 1c. After that, it could be anyone.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby ryotostpierre » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:06 am

Mikal wrote:
bruins2012 wrote:Both those guys are terrible and way over-hyped! That bjj crap won't work against an expert in the art of murder, like Army Ranger Tim Kennedy. :evil:
I got Kennedy winning in round 1 by bayonette.



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You Mr. Bruins are a delight. That said Roger is probably a bit better or BJJ (though I think his size is a significant factor in that) but in MMA I'd take Jacare 10 times out of 10.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:35 pm

ryotostpierre wrote:
Mikal wrote:
bruins2012 wrote:Both those guys are terrible and way over-hyped! That bjj crap won't work against an expert in the art of murder, like Army Ranger Tim Kennedy. :evil:
I got Kennedy winning in round 1 by bayonette.



:lol:

You Mr. Bruins are a delight. That said Roger is probably a bit better or BJJ (though I think his size is a significant factor in that) but in MMA I'd take Jacare 10 times out of 10.


Yeah Jacare is definitely the more complete MMA fighter and the size disadvantage he had in the Roger fights is definitely something to note.
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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby Mikal » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:42 pm

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Re: A Look at the Jacare Souza vs Roger Gracie BJJ Rivalry

Postby mikalianenkomedov » Thu May 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Went back and tried to rewatch these, lots of broken links.

2002 Brown Belt Absolute Mundials: Finals.
Can anyone find this video anywhere?


2004 Black Belt Absolute Mundials: Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZdDh_yQVSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYwlxHjkMA

2005 Open Class Absolute ADCC: Finals
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