Why did most of the Pride fighters turned UFC fighters lose

[Brickbat]

their mojo? I was watching the Best of Pride last night, as I usually do, and it just reminded me of how exciting some of my favorite fighters used to be

[Jeovanni]

Age and thats all. Prime chute boxe and btt would still rule mma.

[ButtersStotch]

You forgot that Pride was fixed!

just kidding.

Who else did poorly in the UFC other than CroCop? Nog, Shogun, Hendo, Rampage all did well. I must be forgetting some.

edit: oh yeah... Wandy... yeah, about that...

[Coffin]

What is a Pride fighter?

Is it some one like Anderson Silva who fought there a few times?
Is it some one like Big Nog or Wandy who ruled for a while?

Look at other fighters of that era like Le Banner, he was a wrecking machine. Now he is no longer top competition. It happens to every one. Where is the mystery or conspiracy?

[philphan]

Some did just fine.
Rampage KOed chuck, when it was still hard to do, to get the LHW Gold.
Spider does his thing. Yes they were both Pride fighters no matter where they ended up before the UFC.
Big Nog beats TImmy for the HW Strap-I know Tim was kind of a joke, but he was the UFC Champ for a bit.
Shogun ends the Machida era and is crowned LHW champ
Hendo does become SF Champ and then goes on a streak that could take him to UFC Gold
Reem does his thing outside the UFC and hopefully in the UFC soon.
Vitor is trying to making a run at it

As we see the Pride boys have had some success. They maybe didn't dominate the way we thought, and not bringing Fedor with was a major let down. Some of the boys are still in the game and still find myself rooting for them.
I'm sure some had a little extra juice or training methods, but we are finding out a lot of fighters today do also.
They are now in the main MMA hub and fighting with all the best in the world. I still say War Pride Guys.

[gvd13]

You could argue all the pride guys are past their major prime. Or the competition is better in the US. Or the changes in the rules and the ring. There are just so many factors guys argue about and we can never really be sure.

[Jojo]

Roids

[LiamHillen]

It happens to everyone?

[ruine87]

Some did just fine.
Rampage KOed chuck, when it was still hard to do, to get the LHW Gold.
Spider does his thing. Yes they were both Pride fighters no matter where they ended up before the UFC.
Big Nog beats TImmy for the HW Strap-I know Tim was kind of a joke, but he was the UFC Champ for a bit.
Shogun ends the Machida era and is crowned LHW champ
Hendo does become SF Champ and then goes on a streak that could take him to UFC Gold
Reem does his thing outside the UFC and hopefully in the UFC soon.
Vitor is trying to making a run at it

As we see the Pride boys have had some success. They maybe didn't dominate the way we thought, and not bringing Fedor with was a major let down. Some of the boys are still in the game and still find myself rooting for them.
I'm sure some had a little extra juice or training methods, but we are finding out a lot of fighters today do also.
They are now in the main MMA hub and fighting with all the best in the world. I still say War Pride Guys.

vitor was ufc first

[JACKnoneREACHER]

Age.

[JACKnoneREACHER]

Some did just fine.
Rampage KOed chuck, when it was still hard to do, to get the LHW Gold.
Spider does his thing. Yes they were both Pride fighters no matter where they ended up before the UFC.
Big Nog beats TImmy for the HW Strap-I know Tim was kind of a joke, but he was the UFC Champ for a bit.
Shogun ends the Machida era and is crowned LHW champ
Hendo does become SF Champ and then goes on a streak that could take him to UFC Gold
Reem does his thing outside the UFC and hopefully in the UFC soon.
Vitor is trying to making a run at it

As we see the Pride boys have had some success. They maybe didn't dominate the way we thought, and not bringing Fedor with was a major let down. Some of the boys are still in the game and still find myself rooting for them.
I'm sure some had a little extra juice or training methods, but we are finding out a lot of fighters today do also.
They are now in the main MMA hub and fighting with all the best in the world. I still say War Pride Guys.

vitor was ufc first

So was Hendo. So was Wandy. So what

[ruine87]

Some did just fine.
Rampage KOed chuck, when it was still hard to do, to get the LHW Gold.
Spider does his thing. Yes they were both Pride fighters no matter where they ended up before the UFC.
Big Nog beats TImmy for the HW Strap-I know Tim was kind of a joke, but he was the UFC Champ for a bit.
Shogun ends the Machida era and is crowned LHW champ
Hendo does become SF Champ and then goes on a streak that could take him to UFC Gold
Reem does his thing outside the UFC and hopefully in the UFC soon.
Vitor is trying to making a run at it

As we see the Pride boys have had some success. They maybe didn't dominate the way we thought, and not bringing Fedor with was a major let down. Some of the boys are still in the game and still find myself rooting for them.
I'm sure some had a little extra juice or training methods, but we are finding out a lot of fighters today do also.
They are now in the main MMA hub and fighting with all the best in the world. I still say War Pride Guys.

vitor was ufc first

So was Hendo. So was Wandy. So what

meh wandy had a fight in the ufc that doesnt make him one of the ufc guys not like vitor who won a ufc tourny before he headed over i feel that makes him a ufc guy, but as far as hendo ill leave that distinction to someone who with more knowledge on the matter,

[TheHumanoidTyphoon]

IMO the real reason for Pride FC alumni doing very poorly in the UFC was the massive psychological atmosphere between the two promotions.

In Japan being an MMA fighter was in itself an immeasurable achievement and as such when or lose the fans treated the fighter like living demigods.

In the United States MMA fighters however gifted and capable and highly touted they may be theyre just another athlete, and only as good as there last performance. Fans on the average are just victory-thirsty sheep following only fighters who can feed them the most.

That said the American style of competition: "You must win to be great" is imo a much more stressful thing for a professional fighter to deal with, not counting other ongoing stresses in life, than the Japanese style of competition: "Win or lose youre a hero"

[KingJoe]

IMO the real reason for Pride FC alumni doing very poorly in the UFC was the massive psychological atmosphere between the two promotions.

In Japan being an MMA fighter was in itself an immeasurable achievement and as such when or lose the fans treated the fighter like living demigods.

In the United States MMA fighters however gifted and capable and highly touted they may be theyre just another athlete, and only as good as there last performance. Fans on the average are just victory-thirsty sheep following only fighters who can feed them the most.

That said the American style of competition: "You must win to be great" is imo a much more stressful thing for a professional fighter to deal with, not counting other ongoing stresses in life, than the Japanese style of competition: "Win or lose youre a hero"

you got it imo

[gvd13]

IMO the real reason for Pride FC alumni doing very poorly in the UFC was the massive psychological atmosphere between the two promotions.

In Japan being an MMA fighter was in itself an immeasurable achievement and as such when or lose the fans treated the fighter like living demigods.

In the United States MMA fighters however gifted and capable and highly touted they may be theyre just another athlete, and only as good as there last performance. Fans on the average are just victory-thirsty sheep following only fighters who can feed them the most.

That said the American style of competition: "You must win to be great" is imo a much more stressful thing for a professional fighter to deal with, not counting other ongoing stresses in life, than the Japanese style of competition: "Win or lose youre a hero"

I've never heard that argument, that was insightful. Good job.