UFC 145: Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans

[counterstrike]

Let me see here, Jones isn't overall better than ANY of those guys, but he just had the qualities each/all lacked?

Doesn't that make him OVERALL better than each and every one of them?

He was able to outstrike Rua the MT guy who used sweeps to get off his back elsewhere but could do nothing when Jones had him down.

He was able to outland and outwrestle Rampage who is a wrestler that prefers to brawl.

Jones had some issues with the technical striking/D of Machida but was able to adjust after round 1, hurt Machida with a strike and got the better of him in the clinch (somewhere Machida was said to be superior), and choked Machida right to sleep.

Now Jones was able to easily outstrike and wrestle (what little there was) Rashad, and had Evans so beaten that the challenger spent the last 2 rounds looking like he was coasting to a UD win rather than needing the KO win. Evans had zero advantage in wresting, no real speed advantage I could see, no power advantage I could determine as his overhand right (like the one that KTFOed Liddell) had almost no effect on Jones except to put him off balance, not to hurt him.

What that means is Jon Jones is a better overall fighter than each opponent. He handled the MT guy with solid BJJ skills, he similarly handled the wrestler/brawler, adapted to overcome a shaky start against the most complete opponent (Machida) and used better striking to hurt and then superior clinchwork to submit Lyoto, and now has outgrappled and outhustled the 'better wrestler with faster hands/better footwork'.

Of course Bones has the qualities his opponents lack, but he is also better able to use the similar skills and overcome his opponents through being more complete (better) overall.

I agree with everything you said except Shad's speed advantage. That and power were his advantages but he fought a stupid fight and Jones just out EVERYTHING'd him (Yes, everything'd ). Shad basically gave up after Jones hurt him with those elbows and that left hook that wobbled him. But, when Shad struck first, he was landing but wasn't confident enough to be the aggressor. Decent fight overall, nice win by Jones over another top opponent. Jones' resume is definitely becoming more and more impressive. And I would still like to see Shad drop to MW. And who in the hell does Joes have to fight now?

Hm. Interesting idea for Shad to drop to MW. Think he could make the cut? He's only 5'11, so it's possible.

By the way, looking at the Mayweather/Ortiz gif in your sig:



WTF was the ref looking at when all this went down? What a clueless idiot.

I think he can tho it'll probably be very tough. But I believe he wrestled at 187 in college so its possible.

Cortez was looking at the time keeper outside of the ring. He has idiot moments quite often. He called time in after Ortiz flying head butted Floyd and then took his eyes off of the action with that dumb ass look on his face.

Yeah, it looks like classic WWF / WWE tactics. Mayweather's manager outside the ring distracts the ref, while Mayweather hits Ortiz. The only thing better, would be if Mayweather had hit Ortiz with a metal chair that Jim "The Anvil" Neidhard threw into the ring while the ref's back was turned...

[Realidea]

Wasn't impress with JJJ. and Rogan needs to stop saying OMG LOOK HOW MUCH HE IMPROVED he looked like the same fighter that fought page. i wasn't impressed with his striking again he got clips a few times. he needs to work on his defense. i think the biggest problem isn't that JJJ is some kind of Neo i think people are getting caught up on his aura. like Fedor, and Wand use to do to their opponents. if someone goes in their and gets in his face they can clip him. his defense isn't impressive. Hendo IMO won't be the guy to do it. i see JJJ taking him down then sub him in the 3rd or 4th after he gasses

[Krim]

Man Jones broke a lot of hearts here on linker.
I've heard some ridicelous shit to justify their hate on Jones.
Just admit he's good. He's a douche, but he's good at fighting.
He's the best in the divisionn and i don't think this wil change.
And let him fight some more fights before going to HW.
As long as he can make weight he belongs in the LHW div.

Jones is without a doubt the best LHW ever. You could put any LHW in their prime and Jones would beat them at least 4/5 times. But as you said, he is a douche. That is how I justify my hate.

[BakMan]

Man Jones broke a lot of hearts here on linker.
I've heard some ridicelous shit to justify their hate on Jones.
Just admit he's good. He's a douche, but he's good at fighting.
He's the best in the divisionn and i don't think this wil change.
And let him fight some more fights before going to HW.
As long as he can make weight he belongs in the LHW div.

Jones is without a doubt the best LHW ever. You could put any LHW in their prime and Jones would beat them at least 4/5 times. But as you said, he is a douche. That is how I justify my hate.

[The White Knight]

Man Jones broke a lot of hearts here on linker.
I've heard some ridicelous shit to justify their hate on Jones.
Just admit he's good. He's a douche, but he's good at fighting.
He's the best in the divisionn and i don't think this wil change.
And let him fight some more fights before going to HW.
As long as he can make weight he belongs in the LHW div.

Jones is without a doubt the best LHW ever. You could put any LHW in their prime and Jones would beat them at least 4/5 times. But as you said, he is a douche. That is how I justify my hate.

If Bones Fought prime Liddell he would go to sleep, prime Couture would grind him and outwrestle him and prime Tito would probably do the same, only legit guy he has taken out is Machida, Rua wasnt his normal self and Rampage is so past his prime its like watching a different guy

[kendamac]

Man Jones broke a lot of hearts here on linker.
I've heard some ridicelous shit to justify their hate on Jones.
Just admit he's good. He's a douche, but he's good at fighting.
He's the best in the divisionn and i don't think this wil change.
And let him fight some more fights before going to HW.
As long as he can make weight he belongs in the LHW div.

Jones is without a doubt the best LHW ever. You could put any LHW in their prime and Jones would beat them at least 4/5 times. But as you said, he is a douche. That is how I justify my hate.

And that i respect.
I also hate the person in John but love to see him fight.
But i will never talk shit about his fighting skills all because Jones is acting like a dick.

[BakMan]

I think Jones held back a bit in this fight and was more cautious, as to not allow for the upset. I think you could've taken Rashad down if he made a serious effort to, and won via GnP. Hats off to Rashad though, toughed it out and his speed allowed him circumvent and counter some lethal JBJ attacks, but he didn't commit fully, was very defensive. Could've gone out on his shield perhaps, but his overhand right little effect on Jones. Who said he had no chin?

[mcpoopants]

was hoping rashad would get bones down , put him in a crucifix, but i don't know , maybe next go around. bones is a perfect fighter right now.

i can see how some can really hate him, he makes it look easy when he goes out there and beats your favorite fighter. but at least my favorite fighter took to five rounds .

[Jetli]

I think Jones held back a bit in this fight and was more cautious, as to not allow for the upset. I think you could've taken Rashad down if he made a serious effort to, and won via GnP. Hats off to Rashad though, toughed it out and his speed allowed him circumvent and counter some lethal JBJ attacks, but he didn't commit fully, was very defensive. Could've gone out on his shield perhaps, but his overhand right little effect on Jones. Who said he had no chin?

lol im curious, what jones attacks are lethal?

[BerzerkerJr]

Good fight. Even a focused and improved Rashad wasn't enough. Simple as that. What I liked about
Rashad was his recovery ability, it reminds me of Wanderlei in his prime, where he doesnt have that good of a jaw
but recovers very fast.

[RebelSaki]

I think the final boss @ 205 for Jones will be someone no one has mentioned thus far and I'm surprised albeit he's a darkhorse:







Think about both of their skillsets long and hard, I think Gegard's got the tools to give JBJ real trouble

[RebelSaki]

I think Jones held back a bit in this fight and was more cautious, as to not allow for the upset. I think you could've taken Rashad down if he made a serious effort to, and won via GnP. Hats off to Rashad though, toughed it out and his speed allowed him circumvent and counter some lethal JBJ attacks, but he didn't commit fully, was very defensive. Could've gone out on his shield perhaps, but his overhand right little effect on Jones. Who said he had no chin?

lol im curious, what jones attacks are lethal?

doze elbowz bruh. like a pickax to the templez.

[Jetli]

I think the final boss @ 205 for Jones will be someone no one has mentioned thus far and I'm surprised albeit he's a darkhorse:







Think about both of their skillsets long and hard, I think Gegard's got the tools to give JBJ real trouble

Fucks jones up standing but his wrestling will let him down.

[dwhid]

I think the final boss @ 205 for Jones will be someone no one has mentioned thus far and I'm surprised albeit he's a darkhorse:







Think about both of their skillsets long and hard, I think Gegard's got the tools to give JBJ real trouble

Jones would take him dwon rather easily and ground and pound his way to victory.

[Jetli]

I think Jones held back a bit in this fight and was more cautious, as to not allow for the upset. I think you could've taken Rashad down if he made a serious effort to, and won via GnP. Hats off to Rashad though, toughed it out and his speed allowed him circumvent and counter some lethal JBJ attacks, but he didn't commit fully, was very defensive. Could've gone out on his shield perhaps, but his overhand right little effect on Jones. Who said he had no chin?

lol im curious, what jones attacks are lethal?

doze elbowz bruh. like a pickax to the templez.