The official wow Derek Jeter won the Gold Glove thread

[JumpJets16]

This is why Human Beings are stupid. That is all.

[adm2rcar]

can we name this the official Derek Jeter is the most overrated player of all time in any sport thread? He is an above average hitter, average to below average feilder, and a dick.

He makes the easy plays look way more difficult than need be, cannot make the hard plays, and if his feilding percentage is average boom he gets the gold glove. Usually I disagree with you JumpJets just because its funny to disagree with you but fuck jeter.

[Heisenberg]

I fucking hate the Yankess and all...But Jeter is actually pretty nuts. He is mad consistent and I'm pretty sure this would be his fourth or fifth now. I dont even know what other SS could take it from him in the AL..maybe Elvis Andrus from the Rangers.

Jeter had a .989 fielding percentage last year. That's more then anyone else in the whole league, I would defiantly say he deserved it without a doubt.

[JumpJets16]

I fucking hate the Yankess and all...But Jeter is actually pretty nuts. He is mad consistent and I'm pretty sure this would be his fourth or fifth now. I dont even know what other SS could take it from him in the AL..maybe Elvis Andrus from the Rangers.

Jeter had a .989 fielding percentage last year. That's more then anyone else in the whole league, I would defiantly say he deserved it without a doubt.

you must not watch much games.

[Heisenberg]

^ I don't watch many Yankee games at all..only when they play the Blue jays. But they base Gold glove off stats not fancy plays they've made. He has the best Fielding percentage in league and only 6 errors which is also the best. So he leads league in Fielding % and Errors... Sounds like a gold glove winner to me.


Now if you were handing out the SS gold glove who would you give it to AL?

[JumpJets16]

^ I don't watch many Yankee games at all..only when they play the Blue jays. But they base Gold glove off stats not fancy plays they've made. He has the best Fielding percentage in league and only 6 errors which is also the best. So he leads league in Fielding % and Errors... Sounds like a gold glove winner to me.


Now if you were handing out the SS gold glove who would you give it to AL?

andrus, ramirez, wilson, pennington are all better shortstops than jeter.

Fielding % is the most overrated stat, it doesnt show range or how an error was scored or any circumstances like first basemen saving errors or what have you.

Darryl Hamilton was an outfielder who played centerfield had limited range but didnt make an error in over 2 years, never won a gold glove because he had shitty range like jeter.

Rey Ordonez won a gold glove a year when he was like 6th in fielding percentage but because most of his errors were off of plays no one could ever get to besides him he still won.

Gold glove is for excellence in the field not simply being able to handle routine balls well.

People need to watch games and not look at retarded stats, there's a reason Ramirez and Andrus had over 200 more chances than Jeter: Range.

[Heisenberg]

Before they selected the winners I was leaning towards Troy Tulowitzki or Elvis Andrus, but when it comes down to it, its just to hard to select any of them because their stats are incosistent in different categories. I was defiantly aware of Jeter lack of range, in fact I think most people are. He also plays on a team that has an amazing 3rd baseman, and second baseman to help him out of course.

I don't want you to think I think Jeter is the best short stop but its damn hard to pick a clear cut winner. But, he is consistent and I can see how he got it. In fact I was really. I just looked further into all the stats and Ramirez probably should of won, but Jeter led two categories only other person to do so is Ramirez.

[JumpJets16]

Before they selected the winners I was leaning towards Troy Tulowitzki or Elvis Andrus, but when it comes down to it, its just to hard to select any of them because their stats are incosistent in different categories. I was defiantly aware of Jeter lack of range, in fact I think most people are. He also plays on a team that has an amazing 3rd baseman, and second baseman to help him out of course.

I don't want you to think I think Jeter is the best short stop but its damn hard to pick a clear cut winner. But, he is consistent and I can see how he got it. In fact I was really. I just looked further into all the stats and Ramirez probably should of won, but Jeter led two categories only other person to do so is Ramirez.

Teixera helped jeter the most, but Alexi Ramirez should have won hands down. Any expert would tell you that and anyone who watches the game as much as myself will also tell you that.

[Heisenberg]

^ Can't argue with that. Havent been up to par on my baseball knowledge last few years with the way Blue jays been, although they did have a pretty good year and few breakout performances.

[Cornbread Mafia]

can we name this the official Derek Jeter is the most overrated player of all time in any sport thread? He is an above average hitter, average to below average feilder, and a dick.

He makes the easy plays look way more difficult than need be, cannot make the hard plays, and if his feilding percentage is average boom he gets the gold glove. Usually I disagree with you JumpJets just because its funny to disagree with you but fuck jeter.

but he is a yankee so that automatically makes him four times the player he would be if say he was a twin

[notsukao]

Teixera helped jeter the most, but Alexi Ramirez should have won hands down. Any expert would tell you that and anyone who watches the game as much as myself will also tell you that.

agreed. the post season awards are becoming a complete joke. im gonna freaking lose it when CC wins the CY over King Felix just because he has more wins, even though Felix is well ahead in several much more important categories.

derek jeter is indeed now a below average shortstop in fact, but it looks like hes pretty much getting a gold glove until he retires or until it becomes even more blatantly obvious that hes not that great, which is already obvious. fielding percentage is a dinosaur stat for all the reasons stated above, UZR is probably the best indicator of fielding data imo, and jeter is well behind a handful of guys.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0

[irishmike357]

Teixera helped jeter the most, but Alexi Ramirez should have won hands down. Any expert would tell you that and anyone who watches the game as much as myself will also tell you that.

Completely wrong. Not all experts or people who watch alot of baseball would agree, in fact those that get to decide the awards don't agree. I have to think they watch as much baseball as you....or more. With that said Jeter is getting old and his range is decreasing, but he is still very consistent. I was surprised when he got the nod though. Didn't see that one coming.

agreed. the post season awards are becoming a complete joke. im gonna freaking lose it when CC wins the CY over King Felix just because he has more wins, even though Felix is well ahead in several much more important categories.

No category is more important that WINS sorry. There were plenty of times when CC would just cruise along and not go all out in a game because his team was ahead and he didn't need to be perfect. When needed he was as good as it gets.

You may have an argument for another guy to win the CY but CC winning it is definitely not a sham. Like him or not (Yankee bias hate/love aside) he is a great pitcher.

[notsukao]

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agreed. the post season awards are becoming a complete joke. im gonna freaking lose it when CC wins the CY over King Felix just because he has more wins, even though Felix is well ahead in several much more important categories.

No category is more important that WINS sorry. There were plenty of times when CC would just cruise along and not go all out in a game because his team was ahead and he didn't need to be perfect. When needed he was as good as it gets.

You may have an argument for another guy to win the CY but CC winning it is definitely not a sham. Like him or not (Yankee bias hate/love aside) he is a great pitcher.

i came off way too harsh in retrospect, no disrespect meant to CC, the guys a complete stud, and should be in the running. I just strongly feel Felix deserves it due to his dominance everywhere except in wins.

I have to disagree with your stance on wins, and the cruising along part though. regardless of the score, i dont believe a pitcher at any highly competitive level ever takes it easy. the second a small amount of concentration might indeed wander, i think a hit, a BB, or them being put in the smallest danger immediatly changes that, regardless of the score. of course, pitchers can struggle mentally, but the second one loses focus/competitiveness is when he gets lit up.

In regards to wins, i still think theyre the least, or one of the least accurate ways to define how a pitcher has performed. theres just too much thats out of his control in that stat imo. ERA, WHIP, FIP ( if youre a geek ), and a few other ratios/stats (line drive %, k/bb, BA BIP, etc) are way more important. the people that count (the writers) still seem to weigh wins just as highly as anything else, so it probably doesnt even matter really

[irishmike357]

i came off way too harsh in retrospect, no disrespect meant to CC, the guys a complete stud, and should be in the running. I just strongly feel Felix deserves it due to his dominance everywhere except in wins.

I have to disagree with your stance on wins, and the cruising along part though. regardless of the score, i dont believe a pitcher at any highly competitive level ever takes it easy. the second a small amount of concentration might indeed wander, i think a hit, a BB, or them being put in the smallest danger immediatly changes that, regardless of the score. of course, pitchers can struggle mentally, but the second one loses focus/competitiveness is when he gets lit up.

In regards to wins, i still think theyre the least, or one of the least accurate ways to define how a pitcher has performed. theres just too much thats out of his control in that stat imo. ERA, WHIP, FIP ( if youre a geek ), and a few other ratios/stats (line drive %, k/bb, BA BIP, etc) are way more important. the people that count (the writers) still seem to weigh wins just as highly as anything else, so it probably doesnt even matter really

Its all good. I think sometimes people let their hate for the Yankees lead them to hating guys like CC who is one of the best in the league. I agree that other stats are better for judging how a pitcher has done, but at the end of the day if he didn't win then what was the point.

[JumpJets16]

Teixera helped jeter the most, but Alexi Ramirez should have won hands down. Any expert would tell you that and anyone who watches the game as much as myself will also tell you that.

Completely wrong. Not all experts or people who watch alot of baseball would agree, in fact those that get to decide the awards don't agree. I have to think they watch as much baseball as you....or more. With that said Jeter is getting old and his range is decreasing, but he is still very consistent. I was surprised when he got the nod though. Didn't see that one coming.

agreed. the post season awards are becoming a complete joke. im gonna freaking lose it when CC wins the CY over King Felix just because he has more wins, even though Felix is well ahead in several much more important categories.

No category is more important that WINS sorry. There were plenty of times when CC would just cruise along and not go all out in a game because his team was ahead and he didn't need to be perfect. When needed he was as good as it gets.

You may have an argument for another guy to win the CY but CC winning it is definitely not a sham. Like him or not (Yankee bias hate/love aside) he is a great pitcher.

sorry man I cant agree with you at all in any of these points, jeter winning the gold glove is completely ridic and if CC wins the CY then its pretty fucking biased because he was not better than King Felix or David Price.