Shinya Aoki Ranked #4

[rattlestick]

i like Aoki. The guy probably has one of the deadliest guards in MMA today. But no way he's #4.

He should go train in holland for a year and then wrestle for another in the US with an american team.

If he does that and retries his luck in the UFC we can talk

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i disagree, his dangerous only when he gets his opponents to the ground. his stand up sucks balls. i don't see him ranked number 4. maybe top ten but that's it

This.

Glad to see you back shogun

+ 2.

Aoki deserves top 10, but not top 5. To be top 5, should have a win against a top 5 guy, or at least someone ranked top 6-7.

But as L2 might say, most of his wins are lmao.

Those usually cited as his top 10 wins, are marginal cases.

Kawajiri is a classic example. Most of his wins are also lmao, and when he fights top 10-20 ranked fighters... he loses (Alvarez, Aoki, Gil, Gomi, for example).

Same with Uno. By the time he fought Aoki, he had lost to (then) non-ranked fighters Cavalcante and Amado, and, after losing to Aoki, went on to lose 4 of his next 6 fights; most of them to unknowns / cans.

Eddie Alvarez is his only truly solid top 10. Is that enough for top 5? No.

ughhhh so you are saying jz or hansen were not ranked top 10, are you fucking insane

JZ was arguably top 10; but not a solid case like Alvarez. I would have put him at 10-15, and today even lower. He has 2 wins in his last 6 fights.

Hansen also arguably top 10, but this only by virtue of beating Aoki himself; and today, he has lost 4 out of his last 7 fights.

And does it really matter? Aoki's wins over both of those guys was in 2008.

It's now 2012. Who has he beaten in the top 10 in the last... oh, 2 years, to justify a top 5?

Put another way, who in the top 5 or top 5-8, has he beaten in the last two years, to justify a top 5?

Like I said, Aoki is a top 10 rank; but not top 5.

[TeamTakeoverFTW]

Glad to see you back shogun

+ 2.

Aoki deserves top 10, but not top 5. To be top 5, should have a win against a top 5 guy, or at least someone ranked top 6-7.

But as L2 might say, most of his wins are lmao.

Those usually cited as his top 10 wins, are marginal cases.

Kawajiri is a classic example. Most of his wins are also lmao, and when he fights top 10-20 ranked fighters... he loses (Alvarez, Aoki, Gil, Gomi, for example).

Same with Uno. By the time he fought Aoki, he had lost to (then) non-ranked fighters Cavalcante and Amado, and, after losing to Aoki, went on to lose 4 of his next 6 fights; most of them to unknowns / cans.

Eddie Alvarez is his only truly solid top 10. Is that enough for top 5? No.

ughhhh so you are saying jz or hansen were not ranked top 10, are you fucking insane

JZ was arguably top 10; but not a solid case like Alvarez. I would have put him at 10-15, and today even lower. He has 2 wins in his last 6 fights.

Hansen also arguably top 10, but this only by virtue of beating Aoki himself; and today, he has lost 4 out of his last 7 fights.

And does it really matter? Aoki's wins over both of those guys was in 2008.

It's now 2012. Who has he beaten in the top 10 in the last... oh, 2 years, to justify a top 5?

Put another way, who in the top 5 or top 5-8, has he beaten in the last two years, to justify a top 5?

Like I said, Aoki is a top 10 rank; but not top 5.[/quote]

well wtf has gray done to stay in the top 5, or better yet what did cerrone do to even get into the top 10

[Humboldt]

Who gives a shit about the rankings...put that aside. He is on a list SURROUNDED by guys he has never/will never face. While the majority from "1-20" are/have/will/at least have the possibility of fighting each other. So while everyone else is sorting it out, Aoki gets to sit in his magic #4 spot fighting the Clementi's and McCullough's of the world. Guys who have trouble stringing together more than a few wins and don't have any recent wins over any "big name" opponent.

...Like I said, he is the "cool guy's" #4... The last hope for all the MMA hipsters.


(And I'm not saying I don't anticipate watching him fight, but having him THAT high on THAT list is just not logical)

[bamdalillama1]

I dont follow him like that. But he seemed very ineffective inside the cage, vs his usual sub in the ring. Again i dont follow him closely. but im assuming most of his fights have been in the ring. He did get KOED bad in that kickboxing/mma fight

[DPino51]

Is there any reason you know of he DOESNT want to fight in the UFC or does he have some sort of beef with dana?

Or have they not even tried to sign him??

http://www.mmaweekly.com/shinya-aoki-co ... in-the-ufc

he said that if it weren't for his family and recently born child he would go to the UFC right away. can't hate on a guy for wanting to spend more time with his wife and kids.

[Legz]

I'm surprised by the lack of Aoki hate in this thread, usually there's alot more.

[ballsmcgee]

Can we agree Aoki is in top 5 most entertaining to watch?

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Can we agree Aoki is in top 5 most entertaining to watch?

You mean, it's hilarious to watch him bum slide after opponents across the ring?

[ballsmcgee]

Can we agree Aoki is in top 5 most entertaining to watch?

You mean, it's hilarious to watch him bum slide after opponents across the ring?

Hah. Actually, yeah. The fact that a guy can be the aggressor in a fight while seated is pretty savage. I think his fights are as exciting as anyone else's.
WAR AOKI!

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In light of recent events.... Eddie is back in the top 10... and Aoki: now top 10-15?

[Dpez71]

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Aoki is top 10 nothing.

Not sure how many time we have to go through the whole JMMA product coming to America and getting smashed process for some of you to get it but it happened again. This is the 2nd time just for Aoki.

The only person who Aoki couldn't get down somehow was Gil. How that means his takedowns are shit is beyond me.

Please watch Aoki's takedown attempt about 55 seconds into the fight. This should clear up any confusion you have for why people call Aoki's wrestling trash.

[pennfan13]

WAR AOKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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WAR AOKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG. RPatterson? Is that you?

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Please watch Aoki's takedown attempt about 55 seconds into the fight. This should clear up any confusion you have for why people call Aoki's wrestling trash.

Its like he was diving into the shallow end of a kiddie pool.