counterstrike wrote: TeamTakeoverFTW wrote:
Glad to see you back shogun
Aoki deserves top 10, but not top 5. To be top 5, should have a win against a top 5 guy, or at least someone ranked top 6-7.
But as L2 might say, most of his wins are lmao.
Those usually cited as his top 10 wins, are marginal cases.
Kawajiri is a classic example. Most of his wins are also lmao, and when he fights top 10-20 ranked fighters... he loses (Alvarez, Aoki, Gil, Gomi, for example).
Same with Uno. By the time he fought Aoki, he had lost to (then) non-ranked fighters Cavalcante and Amado, and, after losing to Aoki, went on to lose 4 of his next 6 fights; most of them to unknowns / cans.
Eddie Alvarez is his only truly solid top 10. Is that enough for top 5? No.
ughhhh so you are saying jz or hansen were not ranked top 10, are you fucking insane
JZ was arguably top 10; but not a solid case like Alvarez. I would have put him at 10-15, and today even lower. He has 2 wins in his last 6 fights.
Hansen also arguably top 10, but this only by virtue of beating Aoki himself; and today, he has lost 4 out of his last 7 fights.
And does it really matter? Aoki's wins over both of those guys was in 2008.
It's now 2012. Who has he beaten in the top 10 in the last... oh, 2 years, to justify a top 5?
Put another way, who in the top 5 or top 5-8, has he beaten in the last two years, to justify a top 5?
Like I said, Aoki is a top 10 rank; but not top 5.[/quote]
well wtf has gray done to stay in the top 5, or better yet what did cerrone do to even get into the top 10