Could Jon Jones have won UFC - 1 ?

[ThePackage]

Dos Caras Jr would have won UFC 1

He's legit bro....He might have a longer career than most of the Pride fighters. Last hope for Pride, amirite?

[wodiewoe]

The Real question would be, Could James Toney have won UFC 1. JK, this thread is funny though

[icestick]

Yeah, people easily forget that those first UFC's were fuckin brutal. 3 fights in a night, barely any rules, and Gracie was at the top of his game. I would probably have my money on Gracie, like any other smart person in the early UFC's.

I agree with this post. What you guys are forgetting is UFC1 had real men who were real fighters, not any of this pussy as shit, one fight every 6 months. MMA has evolved but still MMA fighters arnt what they us to be.

[FootFistProductions]

This is a paradoxical question, as well as being loaded as shit! It makes absolutely no sense.

[timbercutter]

This is a paradoxical question, as well as being loaded as shit! It makes absolutely no sense.

say what?....seems pretty straightforward to me........I think he could have.

[jigs9999]

Probably

[IKnowuWannaBeMe]

Nope

[ruine87]

Nope

any current fighter at 205 even some of the lower teir ones with how the game has become more balanced in all aspects would have won ...on that note your a joke

[IKnowuWannaBeMe]

Nope

any current fighter at 205 even some of the lower teir ones with how the game has become more balanced in all aspects would have won ...on that note your a joke

Yeah I forgot you know all . Plus this is my opinion and like your opinion it could be wrong. I am a joke? At least I didn't have to join a group of sissies on an MMA forum.

I guess there would be a slim chance Jones could have won but not likely. Bare fists, no time limits, vale tudo rules, I think somebody like Pat Smith would have KO'd him. Shamrock and Royce would have submitted him. Fighting in a tournament for mat may have affected Jones as well.

[ruine87]

Nope

any current fighter at 205 even some of the lower teir ones with how the game has become more balanced in all aspects would have won ...on that note your a joke

Yeah I forgot you know all . Plus this is my opinion and like your opinion it could be wrong. I am a joke? At least I didn't have to join a group of sissies on an MMA forum.

I guess there would be a slim chance Jones could have won but not likely. Bare fists, no time limits, vale tudo rules, I think somebody like Pat Smith would have KO'd him. Shamrock and Royce would have submitted him. Fighting in a tournament for mat may have affected Jones as well.

i think jones would have no problem doing tournaments being a ncaa div 2 national champ ...an oh wait he had to win that in a tournament and i dont see any of those fighters koing him if a current age machida rampage and shogun couldnt and with his aforementioned wrestling i dont see him getting taken down to get submitted

and i didnt join them i was one of the founders and yes you are a joke becuase you let your hate of jbj blind you from wat should be obvious! if no chin chuck liddel fought in ufc 1 he would have one thats wat happens when you have a balanced skillset vs one dimensional fighters.

jbj fighting in the first ufc would be like prime tyson fighting in a 1800's boxing match it would be unfair

[IKnowuWannaBeMe]

Nope

any current fighter at 205 even some of the lower teir ones with how the game has become more balanced in all aspects would have won ...on that note your a joke

Yeah I forgot you know all . Plus this is my opinion and like your opinion it could be wrong. I am a joke? At least I didn't have to join a group of sissies on an MMA forum.

I guess there would be a slim chance Jones could have won but not likely. Bare fists, no time limits, vale tudo rules, I think somebody like Pat Smith would have KO'd him. Shamrock and Royce would have submitted him. Fighting in a tournament for mat may have affected Jones as well.

i think jones would have no problem doing tournaments being a ncaa div 2 national champ ...an oh wait he had to win that in a tournament and i dont see any of those fighters koing him if a current age machida rampage and shogun couldnt and with his aforementioned wrestling i dont see him getting taken down to get submitted

and i didnt join them i was one of the founders and yes you are a joke becuase you let your hate of jbj blind you from wat should be obvious! if no chin chuck liddel fought in ufc 1 he would have one thats wat happens when you have a balanced skillset vs one dimensional fighters.

jbj fighting in the first ufc would be like prime tyson fighting in a 1800's boxing match it would be unfair

So your trying to compare a pure wrestling tournament (with no strikes allowed and time limits) to the UFC 1 tournament???? Two entirely different things, but whatever. Pat Smith was a kickboxing champion, now he wasn't on the level of say a Badr Hari or Peter Aerts but the guy KO'd Andy Hug and had a 74-8 record. He also had a decent pro boxing record. Neither Rampage, Shogun or Machida have kickboxing credentials like that.

Royce would not have had to take Jones down to submit him. Sakuraba used standing kimuras in pride and Royce would have knew about those moves. Its also not too inconceivable that Royce may have gotten lucky and tripped Jones, not likely but possible. Also Royce could have pulled guard or taken some shots, flopped and Jones would fall into his guard. Not saying any of these moves are probable but they would have been possible. If it did go to the ground, Gracie is was above anyone Jones has ever fought BJJ wise. He would have had the ability to grab one of those long arms and yank them off or choke Jones out.

Your one of the founders of the foe movement??? No wonder your posts are worth as much as the best outhouse wallpaper money can buy. Anyway you do realize that before the absolute end of Chuck's career his chin was extremely good right? He was not 1 dimensional either. Chuck used his kickboxing, wrestling, defense and his striking to a very good degree. Making comments like that about Liddell shows just how much about MMA you really know.

I don't hate Jones. He is a great fighter, I just think there are instances where he can lose. Just because he has beaten Machida, Shogun, and Evans does not meant he would run through them again. He could, but then again he could get KTFO in the first round by any of them. Just like his fight with Hendo, Jones nuthuggers are saying Hendo has no chance and we all know whats going to happen, no you don't. Now you can say that just because your a fan and Jones could come out and steamroll Hendo. However Hendo could also come out and KO Jones within 2 minutes. Nobody knows.

War foe movement!

Wait a minute are you saying that Mike Tyson would have beaten John L. Sullivan and Jack Dempsey? Dude seriously just stop embarrassing yourself. You have just showed the definition of idiocy.

[ruine87]

So your trying to compare a pure wrestling tournament (with no strikes allowed and time limits) to the UFC 1 tournament???? Two entirely different things, but whatever. Pat Smith was a kickboxing champion, now he wasn't on the level of say a Badr Hari or Peter Aerts but the guy KO'd Andy Hug and had a 74-8 record. He also had a decent pro boxing record. Neither Rampage, Shogun or Machida have kickboxing credentials like that.yeah but can he stop a take down as well as thoughs other fighters or are we gonna be dealing with another art jimmerson....no wait he was taken down and submitted by shamrock im sure a collegiate wrestler like jones would have used gnp but if shamrock can take him down jones sure in the hell can!

Royce would not have had to take Jones down to submit him. Sakuraba used standing kimuras in pride and Royce would have knew about those moves. Its also not too inconceivable that Royce may have gotten lucky and tripped Jones, not likely but possible. Also Royce could have pulled guard or taken some shots, flopped and Jones would fall into his guard. Not saying any of these moves are probable but they would have been possible. If it did go to the ground, Gracie is was above anyone Jones has ever fought BJJ wise. He would have had the ability to grab one of those long arms and yank them off or choke Jones out. i didnt see any of those moves used succesfully on dan severn another wrestler in the early ufc why would they work on jones who is a high lvl wreslter with experience in bjj, it would just be a case of a larger matt hughs vs gracie.... just another one of your long reaches with your short mental arms

Your one of the founders of the foe movement??? No wonder your posts are worth as much as the best outhouse wallpaper money can buy. Anyway you do realize that before the absolute end of Chuck's career his chin was extremely good right? He was not 1 dimensional either. Chuck used his kickboxing, wrestling, defense and his striking to a very good degree. Making comments like that about Liddell shows just how much about MMA you really know.im saying even with liddels lack of chin at the end of his carreer he still would have done it due to the balance in the rest of his game let alone prime chuck would have definatly won easy, did you honestly read wat i wrote cuz your implicating me saying something negative about him when i never did

I don't hate Jones. He is a great fighter, I just think there are instances where he can lose. Just because he has beaten Machida, Shogun, and Evans does not meant he would run through them again. He could, but then again he could get KTFO in the first round by any of them. Just like his fight with Hendo, Jones nuthuggers are saying Hendo has no chance and we all know whats going to happen, no you don't. Now you can say that just because your a fan and Jones could come out and steamroll Hendo. However Hendo could also come out and KO Jones within 2 minutes. Nobody knows. other than your stance of not hating jbj cuz you shit on him every chance you take i agree with the rest of wat you said

War foe movement! yup we sure do laugh at you when you post shit like this

Wait a minute are you saying that Mike Tyson would have beaten John L. Sullivan and Jack Dempsey? Dude seriously just stop embarrassing yourself. You have just showed the definition of idiocy.i said 1800's not early 1900's your just being the fool and i said it like that for a reason as im aware of both those legendary boxers i was merely trying to reference a boxer from a era with more fully developed skill training to one when the sport was still in its primitive state. but inbetween smelling your own farts you missed that

[FootFistProductions]

This is a paradoxical question, as well as being loaded as shit! It makes absolutely no sense.

say what?....seems pretty straightforward to me........I think he could have.

Ok, firstly just asking the question the way it was is impossible to answer, even semi-legitimately. Without UFC 1, 2 or 3 etc etc playing out the way they did it wouldn't have opened up peoples' eyes as to what styles and mix of style make the better technique. You take Jon Jones, now well trained and versed the way he is, then yes of course but EVERYONE NOW being as well trained and versatile would be able to go back in time and kick ass up and down the cage. However, that's not what the question is asking. Take Jon Jones, a complete untrained, highly athletic person signing up for UFC 1, there would be no way in hell he would have won.

Paradoxical, like the being able to go back in time and kill your grandfather before he had your father. If you did that then you would kill ALL chances of you even taking one breath of life or even being a sperm inside a nut. Therefore you would in turn not be able to go back in time in the first place and kill your grandfather before he had your father which in turn would result in your birth...

That's why questions like these are nothing special about the person they are specifically asking about. They should be generalized questions such as; Would it be possible for the champs of each division to go back in time with all their training and participate in UFC 1 and win. Well hell fucking yes they would win, more than likely Junior Dos Santos right now. But if you take those same champions with as much training and well roundedness as say Kieth Hackney, then I don't think a single one of them would win. You also would have so assume, because all this is based upon assumptions in the first place, that none of them would be as well built and athletic as they are now.

[mma freak]

I would have to assume jones would fight shirtless since that is how fighters compete today. However back in the day gi's were allowed and Royce always wore his. Wearing his gi allowed him to use his own gi to choke people out. Go back and check it out. He relied on his gi alot and it made it easier to apply chokes and easier to hold them in place. It is cheap, but effective and not against the rules... I don't know how the tournament would play out but I'm just putting that tidbit out there.

[FootFistProductions]

I would have to assume jones would fight shirtless since that is how fighters compete today. However back in the day gi's were allowed and Royce always wore his. Wearing his gi allowed him to use his own gi to choke people out. Go back and check it out. He relied on his gi alot and it made it easier to apply chokes and easier to hold them in place. It is cheap, but effective and not against the rules... I don't know how the tournament would play out but I'm just putting that tidbit out there.

His opponents also had no clue about submission defense at the time. Literally no clue. Jui jitsu and it's hybrid brother Brazilian ju jitsu was still relatively unheard of or practiced in the USA at that time. I remember that olympic wrestlers really had no full concept of the sports. But that shit changed and it changed fast. Fighters today are in such a different league let along level than the ones from early 90's. I would almost bet the farm that Jones, along with most ALL fighter today, are/is knowledgeable enough to probably use Royce's own gi against him. That and the obvious fact that the athleticism in the fighters has skyrocketed from then to now.