Before I directly reply to anything...the revisionist history you are using here is disgusting. You are literally, picking all of these fighters in the very worst moments of their careers and acting like that's exactly what was happening at the exact time Pride fell out (and I will highlight every time you do this). It's disgusting. Plus you're ignoring everything else I said about how...if Fedor would have went over to UFC he would have fought guys like Mir, Couture, and Gonzaga and then LATER on fought Cain and JDS instead of Rogers and Werdum. But you're ignoring me...Go check your dates man, I am not making things up. I will prove it to you I guess, or you can choose to ignore it, I don't care. Honestly not trying to be a dick here but you are saying Fedor ducked Mir and Gonzaga?
Maybe, but all the other contenders were doing just fine. He would have most likely had to have fought a contender before Brock ANYWAY. One fighter being sick isn't an excuse.Which contender? Mir or Gonzaga? Or CroCop or Big Nog.
Once again, I wasn't suggesting he fight Cain right away...Ok fair enough, so he is out of the question, because Fedor could have fought him right now, but Zuffa cut Fedor.
Same thing applies...but JDS had 4 fights in 2007, and THAT'S the one you choose to highlights? Nice. This shows exactly the way you're swaying everything here. Try to make it look as bad as possible.The sale took place in May 2007 and Pride closed it's doors in October 2007, JDS lost to Ferriera in November. Ok so he was a 4-0 prospect fighting in XFC when the sale took place and by the time people were crossing over he lost 1 and won 1 more fight, still not in any top org. Can't say Fedor ducked him.
Once again, he fought every damn year of his career and never fought any where else but the UFC. No excuses.If you don't know that from October 2007 until September 2008 Couture was gone from the UFC I don't know what to say man. It is a fact though. Again not making it up, go look it up.
Yeah but he was 10-3 overall. Stop revising things to fit your views. He held a win over Tim Sylvia as well whom you claim to be superior competitionYeah he beat Sylvia 3 years before the sale of Pride and before a horrendous motorcycle accident. He obviously was not the same fighter and his 2-2 record to low level guys proves it.
Once again, more bullcrap swaying and revision. AA's last UFC fight was in 2008, so that does not count as immediately after the fall of Pride, sorry but that's over one year which gave Fedor plenty of time to fight AA in the UFC.Don't mean to be an ass here but you need to look at months man. AA's last fight was in MARCH, Pride closed shop in October. That gave Fedor 6 months to sign and fight AA, really 3 months since AA was signed to a fight in January of 2008. Are you actually saying Fedor ducked AA?
Want to see how easy it is to revise things to fit my views?
Sylvia was 2-2 in his last few fights and had just lost his title, coming into the Fedor fight with a loss, to a man Fedor had already beaten Cool but again you are ignoring Months here. At the closing of Pride Sylvia was 7-1 and as I said just lost to Couture and was 2 weeks out from beating Vera. Again are you really saying Fedor ducked Sylvia?
Ok, so what was wrong with Gonzaga? What was wrong with Vera? Nothing. They just were not the best in the UFC at the time.
Fedor opted to fight Lindland and Choi instead of go in and fight these two guys, at the very least (because you know, these are the lesser Top HWs of that time)? Especially when he had already fought guys like Goodridge and Yuji Nagata, who are obviously lesser to Vera and Gonzaga. The offering of competition immediately following the collapse of Pride was a lot better than outside of the UFC. Say what you will about these guys, but they were the best to offer.Yes Gonzaga and Vera were better than Choi and Lindland lol, but did you want Fedor to just sit on his ass waiting for a contract to happen? No so he went and fought.
This is a completely baseless claim. Do you have anything to back it up? You have nothing proving this. From the time he had his last fight in Pride, until the time he fought Choi, a year had passed. How long could it possibly take to sign a guy into your company? 1 year is out of the question...Again if you were not around during this time you didn't miss much. There were negotiations between Vadim and White from summer of 07 until October of 07 when Fedor signed with M1. Dana wanted to wait until after Fedor's Combat Sambo tournament in late 07 to sign him. Dana White wanted to wait. So he couldn't sign before 08 anyway.
As I previously stated, he had plenty of time to go to the UFC and fight AA. Immediately after the fall of Pride, AA was still inside the UFC kicking ass. So that leaves what, Sylvia and Barnett? That's it? He should wait to go to Affliction because of two HW competitors? One of which was coming off of a loss to a UFC competitor?No when Affliction formed AA was not in the UFC kicking ass, he was in Affliction kicking ass. Along with Sylvia and Barnett, and some lower tiered guys. A much better HW stable than what UFC had at the time in a sick Brock and Mir, Vera, Werdum.
Once again...I wasn't suggesting immediately fighting LesnarI'm talking about 08 now. And Brock was one of the top UFC HWs that had not already been beaten by Fedor, believe it or not.
11-3 dude, no more revising!Ok 11-3. Do you really think he was the same as before his crash at that point?
Brandon Vera who has had just lost Sylvia (now with Affliction)
Brandon Vera lost to Sylvia in 2007, Fedor left Pride in 2006. When Fedor left Pride, Vera was 8-0, and a more legitimate 8-0 than Wagner Martin. Yet you're going to discredit Vera's legitimacy? Well then you must do the same for Zulu whom Fedor fought in Pride in the prime of his career. That or not do it at all.This whole section is about 2008 when he chose Affliction instead of UFC. Sylvia beat Vera in October 2007, which was right before Fedor (and Sylvia) went to Affliction. When Vera was 8-0 Pride was very much still around.
This is bad?No. Werdum was just not as high level as Sylvia, AA and Barnett. Also Fedor fought Werdum (a much better Werdum actually). Are you really saying Fedor ducked Werdum?
I see the point with Big Nog, but what was wrong with a Cro Cop rematch anyway? Not to say he was ducking Cro Cop (maybe he was, he got rocked hard) but why would the fact Cro Cop was in the league sway him into fighting Lindland and Choi instead (immediately following the collapse of course.)Not taking anything away from CroCop because I STILL rock the LHK in my sig, but he was done at this point. Also I think the UFC was doing a UFC vs Pride thing and would not have matched them up. Dana said he was gonna give Fedor 1 fight in the UFC then have a title unification fight. I don't think CroCop Fedor 2 was ever in the works. Although I would have liked it.
Unsurprisingly MORE REVISIONIST HISTORY. Fedor left Pride in 2006. By 2007 Gonzaga was 8-1 and had just beaten Cro Cop. That gives Fedor plenty of time to go in and face a legitimate HW.Fedor's last fight in Pride was December 31st, 2006 lmao. And his contract didn't expire until mid 2007. In fact when he fought Lindland he was still under his Pride contract (he could fight for another org as long as it was in Russia). Also I am talking about 2008 when he chose Affliction over UFC. Gonzaga was good but not as good as the guys in Affliction.
Couture had only taken less than 12 months off and was back by March of 2007 to fight and BEAT Tim Sylvia in the Fight of the Year to capture the championship. There was never really a "time" that couture didn't exist in the UFC. As I stated, Couture has fought from 1997-2010 without missing a year.The time off I am talking about is after the Sylvia and Gonzaga fights when Couture left from October 2007 - Sept 2008. When Fedor signed with Affliction Couture was not in the UFC. That is the time Couture didn't exist in the UFC. Why do you think Nog and Sylvia fought for the Interim title?
I think I just answered this question. You didn't. Honestly. Do you think he ducked Gonzaga, Mir and Vera?
As for Werdum, Fedor fought him years later once WERDUM went to SF. And by that time the UFC HW division was a lot better than SF's. Cain by that time was a contender, Brock was the reigning champion, Carwin was a contender, and JDS was making his way up the ladder (you know, the guy that knocked Werdum out cold to get up the ladder). And Brandon Vera didn't move to LHW until mid-2008, which is yet again more revisionist history, and once again gave Fedor plenty of time to have fought him.By the time any of those guys were contenders Fedor was in a contract. He can't leave a contract to go fight some one else. He could still go fight them now but Zuffa cut him.
Your point is...folly. According to you, everything bad that happened in 2006-2009...all happened in 2006
[/color]No. First of all the entire first half of my post was about 2007 when Pride was bought, Fedor left and Pride was shut down. The second half of my post was about 2008 when Affliction came around. I am sorry if I made that confusing (seriously, not being a dick).