BJ Penn looking to come out of retirment

[vampxx24]

I'd like to see him puff up KOS's eye, he would probably get wrestled fucked but it would be a great challenge for Penn. KOS would be looking for a marquee win, just another notch on his belt like when he beat Matt Hughes. If and this is a big "IF" somehow BJ were to win he would be immediately catapulted back into title contention. . .

Fitch didn't outwrestle Penn. What makes you think Kos would? Besides Kos is pretty much a stand up fighter now and BJ would beat him to a bloody pulp on the feet. BJ>>>>>>Kos any day of the week. Even now.

fitch might be better technically but kos is bigger and stronger...pretty much every wrestler has said kos has the most powerful double in mma(they were just talking about this on last weeks mma uncensored). fitch is more of bjs weight while kos could be a mw... i think if kos wanted to he could take bj down.. that said, kos has seem to commit more to striking which bj would outstrike him. it would come down to kos's gameplan, and sticking to gameplan

[Masterino]

YAY! We get to see BJ get Wrecked again! Stay retired, dude. Be a Mentor or something...

Didnt he say he couldnt go back to his daughters looking all mangled? its just gonna happen again!

[counterstrike]

I think he would do so much better if he got in the LW division and trained with that guy who put him hrough that rigerous NFL training, or hell just find a new camp all together...anyone can do a better job than Jason Perillo

All that new age training is a fad, he just needs to train, FIGHTING.... Haha. In any sport I ever played, the only thing that ever got me in shape was training in that sport. I think sparring hundreds of rounds> hitting a tire, or doing foot speed drills.

I dont think BJ's conditioning is the problem, it's his skillset, reaction time, gameplanning that he brings to the fight. I think people have to accept as BJ gets older the game is passing by and evolving over him more and more. He's only 32 but he's been fighting the best for almost as long as Fedor. And Like Fedor he's an old 32 it seems. The same thing might be happening to Shogun.

i think gsp is the one who said" you have to evolve with the sport"...... it cant pass you by if your evolving with it... thats why bj,fedor,shogun,brock(well use to be brock) should of/should change camps. if you look at the 4, there the best in camp by a LANDSLIDE..... Look at the other top guys in the sport andwho they train with...why are they ontop, because they have guys JUST beneath them or equal in other divsions that push them to the limits. you cant evolve if your the best guy in camp, you get complaciant(sp?)....as the old phrase goes, steel sharpens steel. this is most talked about with shogun by his best friends. the shogun weve seen has been an unmotivated shell of himself. this dates back to after the machida win.

after shogun beat machida he was suppose to fight rashad, dana stepped in and refused to let shogun do what he did with coleman and basically schedule the fight rigght after rehab, the fight was pushed back to spring. events happened , such as shogun having a baby, shoguns trainer leaving him for kings mma(he pleaded shogun to follow), and with rashad being hurt.....alot ofpeople wanna talk about shogun vs jones, but shogun has said it himself....he was not hurt, he simply went into the fight half ass...if you look at the shogun who fought in brazil that was not the shogun who fought jones or hendo....the difference was shogun switched camps for forrest. for both jones and hendo shogun trained in brazil at his gym which hes drawn heavy fire by his closest friends for doing. Wand ,cordiero ,dida have all said shogun is his worst enemy currently as when hes training at his gym he has no one to push him, hes the boss and says when to stop.... he also has no one close to his level to train and spar with. when u look at who trains at kings...u have , werdum,wand,anderson,mayhem,munoz and a host of others.... bj and fedor have the same problem..... no doubt if both went to diff camps they could step there career back its why guys are constently changing camps. mousasi is a good example.. good ground game, killer striking...his weakness was his wrestling, so what did he do... he moved to trainn in hte us under jacksons mma, who has some pretty damn solid wrestlers... aside from aka

as others are saying, if bjs serious about a return, he needs to goto lw........ bj is your avg walkng lw most ww are near 200 which will obv give him a hard time

A lot of truth to this.

I've been harping for years that Fedor should have long kicked M-1 to the curb, headed to the U.S., started a gym with his brother, and invited a bunch of top MMA fighters and trainers. They would come. He's a legend.

Same with Gonzaga. He has all the tools, the talent, and the heavy hands to be a HW champ. But he fights out of his own gym, where he is by far the most high profile fighter. No one is close, and no one can push him, or make him better. And his gym is a fucking BJJ school, so he's not even training with other MMA fighters. It's like Gonzaga has not improved one iota since his LHK win over CroCop years ago.

Shogun always fights better when he leaves Curatiba, gets away from his gym and home setting, where he gets too comfortable. That becomes increasingly harder when you start a family. I understand that. But it just means you give up a little as a fighter.

As for BJ, he's just lazy and stupid and unnecessarily arrogant (always has). He should have moved from Hawaii long ago to train, but he's too comfortable there, with his rich family and comfortable lifestyle. He has a bit of that polynesian warrior spirit-- it comes out from time to time in the cage-- but he's mainly just a spoiled frat boy with world class BJJ. These days, that's just not enough to own a weight division in MMA.

BJ Penn should leave Hawaii and cut his fat ass down to LW, where he'll be competitive. He'd struggle to be top 10 in WW these days...

[vampxx24]

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I dont think BJ's conditioning is the problem, it's his skillset, reaction time, gameplanning that he brings to the fight. I think people have to accept as BJ gets older the game is passing by and evolving over him more and more. He's only 32 but he's been fighting the best for almost as long as Fedor. And Like Fedor he's an old 32 it seems. The same thing might be happening to Shogun.

i think gsp is the one who said" you have to evolve with the sport"...... it cant pass you by if your evolving with it... thats why bj,fedor,shogun,brock(well use to be brock) should of/should change camps. if you look at the 4, there the best in camp by a LANDSLIDE..... Look at the other top guys in the sport andwho they train with...why are they ontop, because they have guys JUST beneath them or equal in other divsions that push them to the limits. you cant evolve if your the best guy in camp, you get complaciant(sp?)....as the old phrase goes, steel sharpens steel. this is most talked about with shogun by his best friends. the shogun weve seen has been an unmotivated shell of himself. this dates back to after the machida win.

after shogun beat machida he was suppose to fight rashad, dana stepped in and refused to let shogun do what he did with coleman and basically schedule the fight rigght after rehab, the fight was pushed back to spring. events happened , such as shogun having a baby, shoguns trainer leaving him for kings mma(he pleaded shogun to follow), and with rashad being hurt.....alot ofpeople wanna talk about shogun vs jones, but shogun has said it himself....he was not hurt, he simply went into the fight half ass...if you look at the shogun who fought in brazil that was not the shogun who fought jones or hendo....the difference was shogun switched camps for forrest. for both jones and hendo shogun trained in brazil at his gym which hes drawn heavy fire by his closest friends for doing. Wand ,cordiero ,dida have all said shogun is his worst enemy currently as when hes training at his gym he has no one to push him, hes the boss and says when to stop.... he also has no one close to his level to train and spar with. when u look at who trains at kings...u have , werdum,wand,anderson,mayhem,munoz and a host of others.... bj and fedor have the same problem..... no doubt if both went to diff camps they could step there career back its why guys are constently changing camps. mousasi is a good example.. good ground game, killer striking...his weakness was his wrestling, so what did he do... he moved to trainn in hte us under jacksons mma, who has some pretty damn solid wrestlers... aside from aka

as others are saying, if bjs serious about a return, he needs to goto lw........ bj is your avg walkng lw most ww are near 200 which will obv give him a hard time

A lot of truth to this.

I've been harping for years that Fedor should have long kicked M-1 to the curb, headed to the U.S., started a gym with his brother, and invited a bunch of top MMA fighters and trainers. They would come. He's a legend.

Same with Gonzaga. He has all the tools, the talent, and the heavy hands to be a HW champ. But he fights out of his own gym, where he is by far the most high profile fighter. No one is close, and no one can push him, or make him better. And his gym is a fucking BJJ school, so he's not even training with other MMA fighters. It's like Gonzaga has not improved one iota since his LHK win over CroCop years ago.

Shogun always fights better when he leaves Curatiba, gets away from his gym and home setting, where he gets too comfortable. That becomes increasingly harder when you start a family. I understand that. But it just means you give up a little as a fighter.

As for BJ, he's just lazy and stupid and unnecessarily arrogant (always has). He should have moved from Hawaii long ago to train, but he's too comfortable there, with his rich family and comfortable lifestyle. He has a bit of that polynesian warrior spirit-- it comes out from time to time in the cage-- but he's mainly just a spoiled frat boy with world class BJJ. These days, that's just not enough to own a weight division in MMA.

BJ Penn should leave Hawaii and cut his fat ass down to LW, where he'll be competitive. He'd struggle to be top 10 in WW these days...

bj at lw training at kings would be scary...for his skillset that might b the best camp for him.... as i said before , i dont think theres a nother "name" that trains at kings who fights at 155 he has one of the best wrestling coachs in munoz there, werdum. mayhem and i believe maia stop by. and striking you have some of the best strikers in the world trianing there

[tron8]

Bj vs Rory. That way Rory will probably kick Bj's ass and be number 1 contender. Shit just got real..
BJ vs Nick Diaz 2 Loser has to stay retired.

[UchiMata]

I prefer BJ Penn at 155, and I like the grappler BJ Penn more than the Boxer. I hope when he comes out he works those submissions and chokes foos out!!!!! The only issue here is that with the return of BJ Penn, we'll begin to see the "He let that guy WIN!!!!! If he wanted to he woulda finished him in the first 3 seconds!!!!!!" wagon back -_-...

[Thickback]

BJ isn't in the tit;e picture at WW or LW. If he wants it he should have to climb the ladder, but since he's BJ, I say 2 wind and he gets a shot. If he wins.

[KObeatsSUB]

BJ's a beast and retirement isn't in his cards right now. He still has good fights in him. And he was over dramatic about looking mangled. He did look more beat up than ever, but certainly not scary. Bj just needs a gameplan when he fights and needs....peds.

[AverageWhiteMale]

I don't want to see him back. 2 Reasons. 1 - his attitude stinks - always has. 2 - all of the top LWs / WWs at this stage would smash him; he won't do what he has to at this point to stay in the mix.

[biggs7a]

He should come back and face Fitch then move down win or lose to face Aldo.

[batman14]

if Penn can get back to train with Marinovich, he would convert back to his dominating LW days. But that mofo just loves to chill and eat whatever while he trains lol

[Masterino]

if Penn can get back to train with Marinovich, he would convert back to his dominating LW days. But that mofo just loves to chill and eat whatever while he trains lol

This! I was amazed at how effective BJ was during his title run, even the headKick that wrecked poor Diegos head.
That Bj penn could destroy!

The Bj now resembles the bag of marshmallows he must like eating everyday lol

[counterstrike]

BJ's a beast and retirement isn't in his cards right now. He still has good fights in him. And he was over dramatic about looking mangled. He did look more beat up than ever, but certainly not scary. Bj just needs a gameplan when he fights and needs....peds.

BJ's not a beast. Maybe a cheeseburger or taco beast. But not beast in the MMA sense anymore. Maybe a few years ago. But MMA has advanced, where a lazy uncommitted guy, even with above average boxing and world class BJJ, can contend.

[KObeatsSUB]

BJ's a beast and retirement isn't in his cards right now. He still has good fights in him. And he was over dramatic about looking mangled. He did look more beat up than ever, but certainly not scary. Bj just needs a gameplan when he fights and needs....peds.

BJ's not a beast. Maybe a cheeseburger or taco beast. But not beast in the MMA sense anymore. Maybe a few years ago. But MMA has advanced, where a lazy uncommitted guy, even with above average boxing and world class BJJ, can contend.

I think he can be middle of the pack in any weight, in the ufc, regardless of diet. Of course, drawing power will get him names. Maybe he shouldn't be fighting them, but he'd be the champ in any other org. Take his avg regimen, throw in 4:1 T/E
and he'd be right back in the top. 6:1 T/E if he takes a match in Nevada.