After Sonnen Belcher should get the next title shot.

by **DD Bacon 8** » Tue May 08, 2012 8:03 am

Belcher is fucking good. Tbh this fight was between two guys that were 6-1 in their last 7 with both of their losses having some sort of * with them. Belcher's being that he won that fight period. (idk if it was fixing by vegas or the ufc wanting Akiyama to come over and be a contender right away but someone fixed that shit Akiyama's face looked like he took a fast ball to it.) With Stump's it was him getting tagged while complaining to the ref. Now Stump was sitting right around the 7-8 mark on most ppl's Top 10 mw rankings. Alan looked GREAT against Stump, his biggest problem is since his eye problem and what not we have seen the coming of Chris Weildman and Munoz making a name for himself. Not to mention bisping has made a name for himself.

However lucky for him those two guys are gonna face off so one of them will "cancel the other out". Another good thing for him is that Hendo's next fight is going to be at LHW and tbh I think Dana plans to keep him up there just because there are more "interesting" fights for him at 205 as opposed to 185. So the only people he has to "worry" about now are the winners of the bisping vs Botsech fight, the winner of Weidman vs Munoz and in my mind that's it... I know some ppl are going to say Vitor but let me ask you one question who is Vitor's biggest victory at MW in the UFC? or period?

I just rewatched the Palahares fight... I listened to Rogan say this is TERRIBLE for Belcher about 6 times then say how he needed to get up. This kid goes in and beats the man at his own game. He rolls with the best ground guy in the division and dominates him at his own game. So with that being said why shouldn't he get the next shot after Chael?

BIGGEST WINS AT MW
Vitor has none vs n e one that is still in the division
Bisping is vs Mayhem who was off a year layoff (looked good vs Sonnen)
Weidman has 0 over n e one still in the divsion
Munoz is vs Leben

So the guy should be on a 7 fight win streak and just dominated a guy that was in the top 7

A makeshift list of the top 8 would be
1. SIlva (champ)
2. Sonnen (n1c)
3. Hendo (not in division)
4/5/6. Vitor/Bisping/Munoz
7. Palahares
8/9/10/11. Weidman/Stann/botesch/okami

Feel free to insert Lombard where ever you would like due to his recent addition to the UFC.

To be 100% when you think about it 4/5/6 kind of just got there off hype, bisping just because he looked good against Chael but other than that... the guy got beat pretty badly by Wandy. Vitor hasn't beat anyone we just put him up there. Bottomline the only guy in my eyes that should be ahead of Belcher on the title shot list would be Hendo if he wanted to take his shot at MW instead of LHW. IDK if I was Belcher and the UFC wanted me to get 1 more fight in. The funny thing is after Vitor beat the shell of himself that Wandy has become he is going to be screaming for a title shot. And why? because he beat someone that we all knew he was going to beat that isn't in the top 10? Because if that's the case and I am Belcher I would just call out Leben, beat him... look at Vitor and say okay you still have 0 wins over guys in the top 10 and I just beat the guy who stopped Wandy 2 fights ago.

I just have a sick feeling that Belcher being "IN THE MIX" isn't going to be enough. With the addition of Lombard if he goes out and beats Stann he is going to get a shot. Bisping is going to want a shot if he wins, but tbh can we give you a shot when you dropped your previous fight to either the guy that is the current champ or that the champ just beat? And if Munoz wins due to the fact that they were already considering giving him a shot I think he will be on deck before Belcher as well. So there is a chance that in the division in which there were "no contenders" that Belcher could be on the block behind 3 other guys. And the sick thing is, in that time Hendo could decide to drop back down to 185 and make things even worse.

It seems to me that the only we he really gets what he deserves is if he waits for this batch of significant MW fights and just calls out the winner of whoever comes out the freshest... which will likely be Belfort. And then if Belfort is able to beat Belcher it will give him a win over someone significant in the division and a reason to get a shot at the man that asked him how his foot taste.

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by **irishmike357** » Tue May 08, 2012 9:18 am

Sorry man, but beating Palhares does not earn a title shot. Belcher MIGHT have cracked the top 10 with that win, he still has some people to jump ahead of before a title shot is earned. Chael gets this one, then you have Stann/Lombard and Bisping/Munoz fighting for a chance, 1 or 2 of them will earn the shot; by then you will probably see Vitor back in the mix. So Belcher really needs to get a couple TOP wins together in order to earn his shot.

With that said, he has a ton of skills and is a very good fighter. Not sure how he will handle the power of guys like Stann/Lombard/Vitor or the wrestling of Munoz/Chael; but he is very good. I was super impressed with him avoiding the leg locks.

by **DD Bacon 8** » Tue May 08, 2012 9:50 am

irishmike357 wrote:Sorry man, but beating Palhares does not earn a title shot. Belcher MIGHT have cracked the top 10 with that win, he still has some people to jump ahead of before a title shot is earned. Chael gets this one, then you have Stann/Lombard and Bisping/Munoz fighting for a chance, 1 or 2 of them will earn the shot; by then you will probably see Vitor back in the mix. So Belcher really needs to get a couple TOP wins together in order to earn his shot.

With that said, he has a ton of skills and is a very good fighter. Not sure how he will handle the power of guys like Stann/Lombard/Vitor or the wrestling of Munoz/Chael; but he is very good. I was super impressed with him avoiding the leg locks.

Beating Palahares in the MW division doesn't get you a shot... okay... does going 6-1 which should be 7-0 in his last 7 fights. But if that's the case please do me a favor and tell me who

Vitor(1-1 last 2)
Bisping (1-1 last 2)
Munoz
Stann (1-1 last 2)

I don't think anyone can make an argument against Lombard just because he has so many wins in a row and many of them in super impressive fashion just based on his explosion and power alone he can post a threat so I see him... Belcher has a better quality win at MW than anyone else u named...

by **irishmike357** » Tue May 08, 2012 10:12 am

DD Bacon 8 wrote:Beating Palahares in the MW division doesn't get you a shot... okay... does going 6-1 which should be 7-0 in his last 7 fights. But if that's the case please do me a favor and tell me who

Vitor(1-1 last 2)
Bisping (1-1 last 2)
Munoz
Stann (1-1 last 2)

I don't think anyone can make an argument against Lombard just because he has so many wins in a row and many of them in super impressive fashion just based on his explosion and power alone he can post a threat so I see him... Belcher has a better quality win at MW than anyone else u named...

Sorry you actually have to complete that sentence lol.

Ok well lets start with Stann/Lombard. As you said Lombard is clear. So IF Stann beats Lombard he beat a guy that is a clear choice for a title shot, and he would be 5-1 in his 6 MW fights with at least 4 of 5 wins in impressive stoppages and his 1 loss coming to the #2 fighter in the division.

Now Munoz and Bisping. If Bisping wins he will be 5-1 in his last 6 with wins over Boetsch, Dan Miller, Akiyama and Mayhem and his only loss coming to the #2 fighter in the division. If Munoz wins he will be 8-1 in his last 9 with a win over Damian Maia (top 5 at the time) and Aaron Simpson (top 10 at the time) and his only loss coming to Okami who was top 3 at the time and went on to get a title shot.

Now to Vitor. He is at worst top 5 in the division right now, usually ranked #3. If Belfort wins he will be 6-1 in the MW division and the 1 loss is to the greatest MW ever. His wins have all been stoppages (just 1 went past the 1st round) and includes former division king pin Franklin, Akiyama and a HUGE Anthony Johnson. I said "by then" meaning after 2-3 more title defenses so assuming 2-3 more fights including Wandy, which would put him at 8 or 9-1 in the division.

Not saying Belcher is not on his way, or not in the discussion; BUT he will have to do more. The line currently goes Lombard, Stann, Bisping, Munoz, Vitor and then maybe Belcher. Lombard needs to beat Stann to get the title shot. Everyone else needs to do more than 1 more win (unless Lombard loses).

by **jjmmajkd** » Tue May 08, 2012 11:10 am

I say let him get one or two more wins against top 5 guys then he should get the title shot, but i would love to see him with the belt

by **slevin** » Tue May 08, 2012 11:54 am

Have Belcher fight Bisping, Lombard or Belfort if they win. Or maybe even Rich Franklin if he beats cung le

by **lilbisse** » Tue May 08, 2012 11:55 am

I think he should fight the bisping-boetch winner before being claimed numero uno.

It should fit the timeline as the spider only fights once or twice a year.

by **themull** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:00 pm

Since Bisping, Boetsch, Munoz, Lombard, Stann etc are all tied up till august/july, the only logical choice now, is to have him ace off against the winner of the Wandy Vitory fight in June...Personally Id'd love to see him and Vitor/Wandy go at it..Guaranteed entertainment right there and then winner of that fight gets the title shot....

Only other possibility is to have him fight the loser of the Chael Silva fight, although that's in July and will probably mean a longer layoff for Belcher...

Belcher should be ranked between 6-8 imo in the division at present...Another win over a top 5 guy and he deserves the shot given his 6-1(7-0) record as of late...

by **leftnutnick** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:42 pm

slevin wrote:Have Belcher fight Bisping, Lombard or Belfort if they win. Or maybe even Rich Franklin if he beats cung le

i would love to see him fight lombard bisping or stann in that order. but he 1 or 2 fights away before titleshot imo. War belcher!! :twisted:

by **tomthedon** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:59 pm

yea let him submit sonnen lol

by **pancakefactory** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:21 pm

He may be 6-1 but he's only beaten scrubs besides Palhares.

by **onthebutton4** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:27 pm

Belcher should be in a no1 contenders matchup. vs who is the only question

do they wait and put him up against anderson for the title shot? will anderson even deserve that after the mauling and possible significant injury that sonnen will inflict on him?

i think they would probably choose vitor should he knock wandy out
bisping vs belcher if vitor loses

by **BMFMMA** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:51 pm

Title shot after whoever wins in the Anderson/Sonnen fight in my opinion! Or Belcher vs Bisping to see whos nr1 Con. Got to say im jumping on the Belcher War Wagon or whatever kids are saying these days :biggrin:

by **BrdrOkm69** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:52 pm

DD Bacon 8 wrote:
irishmike357 wrote:Sorry man, but beating Palhares does not earn a title shot. Belcher MIGHT have cracked the top 10 with that win, he still has some people to jump ahead of before a title shot is earned. Chael gets this one, then you have Stann/Lombard and Bisping/Munoz fighting for a chance, 1 or 2 of them will earn the shot; by then you will probably see Vitor back in the mix. So Belcher really needs to get a couple TOP wins together in order to earn his shot.

With that said, he has a ton of skills and is a very good fighter. Not sure how he will handle the power of guys like Stann/Lombard/Vitor or the wrestling of Munoz/Chael; but he is very good. I was super impressed with him avoiding the leg locks.

Beating Palahares in the MW division doesn't get you a shot... okay... does going 6-1 which should be 7-0 in his last 7 fights. But if that's the case please do me a favor and tell me who

Vitor(1-1 last 2)
Bisping (1-1 last 2)
Munoz
Stann (1-1 last 2)

I don't think anyone can make an argument against Lombard just because he has so many wins in a row and many of them in super impressive fashion just based on his explosion and power alone he can post a threat so I see him... Belcher has a better quality win at MW than anyone else u named...

FALSE he finished Akiyama and Johnson, granted the weight situation for Johnson was an unusual one. Belcher needs another win against a top 5 opponent or he shouldn't get a title shot, I think that's pretty much the consensus.

by **Oldtoby420** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:56 pm

IMO I think alot of things can happen between then so you never know maybe he could end up being next for a MW title shot. So smart of him to speak up to let UFC know he's hungry for it rather then sit there waiting for UFC to say ok your next that now days leads to you getting looked over for guys who haven't done as good but spoke up & argued their case. Even if they don't deserve it more it's like the saying a closed mouth don't get fed.

I don't personally agree with that mentality to a T since things should be earned & not given just cuz you argued for it in the medie long enuff / load enuff cept in close cases like Pettis & Diaz for example. Other then that some of these guys like Bisping & sry to say Belcher too they aren't near that atm but each figures smartly hey let be known you think you are & you never know. I believe some of these guy if not alot of them know damn well they haven't earned the shot yet but figure monkey see monkey do claim you have to UFC can't hurt to try even if you haven't.

I do feel that Alan Belcher is no doubt up there in the mix of top 5-7 MW's to via for contendership after beating Palhares but needs another big win atleast before a shot at the title is earned for him.