Why strict ladder-style title shots in UFC wouldn't work

[PsychoBells]

...UFC followed a strict tournament/ladder system with the title picture. Up until this point, I'd always thought this was a superior way, 1) because I got to posture about how horrible Zuffa/Dana/Joe Silva are or some BS, and 2) because it would eliminate the gifted title shots due to Twitter hype or getting Dana something from the vending machine.

UNTIL

I realized, just now, that we'd have the same 3-4 guys perpetually in the title picture in every division while all the other fighters go nowhere. Ultimate Rematch Championship? Nowhere near as bad as it would be with the strict ladder system. Diversity would only come from prospects who are actually good (LOL), or when one of the elite 3-4 falls victim to Father Time or fails a drug test or gets fired for a random reason.

So while yes, the current system doesn't have much structure, at least it gives us variety as well as a chance to someone who otherwise wouldn't.

[BrdrOkm69]

So what you're saying is: "imagine the new format, and then forget about it" ?

[TheBigTone]

so why even create this thread?

[PsychoBells]

Like I said, a lot of people (myself at one time) constantly hate on how title shots are dealt with in UFC
However, the system a lot of us want implemented wouldn't really work
This is simply an explanation
What is a forum if we can't exchange ideas

[BrdrOkm69]

Like I said, a lot of people (myself at one time) constantly hate on how title shots are dealt with in UFC
However, the system a lot of us want implemented wouldn't really work
This is simply an explanation
What is a forum if we can't exchange ideas

Well it kind of does work, isn't that the way Bellator runs their shit?

[PsychoBells]

Like I said, a lot of people (myself at one time) constantly hate on how title shots are dealt with in UFC
However, the system a lot of us want implemented wouldn't really work
This is simply an explanation
What is a forum if we can't exchange ideas

Well it kind of does work, isn't that the way Bellator runs their shit?

True, but Bellator's a bit different IMO. A more even playing field, so to speak

[BrdrOkm69]

Like I said, a lot of people (myself at one time) constantly hate on how title shots are dealt with in UFC
However, the system a lot of us want implemented wouldn't really work
This is simply an explanation
What is a forum if we can't exchange ideas

Well it kind of does work, isn't that the way Bellator runs their shit?

True, but Bellator's a bit different IMO. A more even playing field, so to speak

I guess, but if the UFC did this kind of stuff they should do it with seeding, that way everyone technically has a chance to win. It'd still favor the guys who were ranked higher I suppose. Without seeding though the UFC would actually have to work to make good match ups which they're usually incapable of.

[BrdrOkm69]

If it was an 8 man bracket a potential way for it to work would be:

1--I
___I----I
2--I____I
_______I-----I
3--I____I____I
___I-----I____I
4--I_________I
____________I---- Number one Contender
5--I_________I
___I----I_____I
6--I___I_____I
______I------I
7--I___I
__I----I
8--I

The numbers correspond to a fighter's consensus ranking. The lower-ranked guys (5-8) end up fighting each other that way so they wouldn't get eliminated early on in the tournament, and could work their way up to the higher level guys (1-4). And in order for the other guys not in the tournament to eventually get to number one contender status, they could fight each other with the current matchmaking way in order to work their way into the top 8 and a spot in the tournament.

I'm high as fuck right now so I hope all this makes sense, but I feel like I'm already better than Joe Silva.

[Fearless6691]

Like I said, a lot of people (myself at one time) constantly hate on how title shots are dealt with in UFC
However, the system a lot of us want implemented wouldn't really work
This is simply an explanation
What is a forum if we can't exchange ideas

Well it kind of does work, isn't that the way Bellator runs their shit?

It's a tournament.

[GSPforlife]

If it was an 8 man bracket a potential way for it to work would be:

1--I
___I----I
2--I____I
_______I-----I
3--I____I____I
___I-----I____I
4--I_________I
____________I---- Number one Contender
5--I_________I
___I----I_____I
6--I___I_____I
______I------I
7--I___I
__I----I
8--I

The numbers correspond to a fighter's consensus ranking. The lower-ranked guys (5-8) end up fighting each other that way so they wouldn't get eliminated early on in the tournament, and could work their way up to the higher level guys (1-4). And in order for the other guys not in the tournament to eventually get to number one contender status, they could fight each other with the current matchmaking way in order to work their way into the top 8 and a spot in the tournament.

I'm high as fuck right now so I hope all this makes sense, but I feel like I'm already better than Joe Silva.

I like the idea. The only thing I would change, though, is to pick the names out of a hat randomly for the top 8 guys in the tournament.

[BrdrOkm69]

If it was an 8 man bracket a potential way for it to work would be:

1--I
___I----I
2--I____I
_______I-----I
3--I____I____I
___I-----I____I
4--I_________I
____________I---- Number one Contender
5--I_________I
___I----I_____I
6--I___I_____I
______I------I
7--I___I
__I----I
8--I

The numbers correspond to a fighter's consensus ranking. The lower-ranked guys (5-8) end up fighting each other that way so they wouldn't get eliminated early on in the tournament, and could work their way up to the higher level guys (1-4). And in order for the other guys not in the tournament to eventually get to number one contender status, they could fight each other with the current matchmaking way in order to work their way into the top 8 and a spot in the tournament.

I'm high as fuck right now so I hope all this makes sense, but I feel like I'm already better than Joe Silva.

I like the idea. The only thing I would change, though, is to pick the names out of a hat randomly for the top 8 guys in the tournament.

I would agree with you but then what would be the point of guys even working at being good? If someone is the consensus number two fighter in a division (second only to the champ), why would his odds of getting a title shot be the same as someone who's an unknown to literally everyone?

[SpacexBound]

...UFC followed a strict tournament/ladder system with the title picture. Up until this point, I'd always thought this was a superior way, 1) because I got to posture about how horrible Zuffa/Dana/Joe Silva are or some BS, and 2) because it would eliminate the gifted title shots due to Twitter hype or getting Dana something from the vending machine.

UNTIL

I realized, just now, that we'd have the same 3-4 guys perpetually in the title picture in every division while all the other fighters go nowhere. Ultimate Rematch Championship? Nowhere near as bad as it would be with the strict ladder system. Diversity would only come from prospects who are actually good (LOL), or when one of the elite 3-4 falls victim to Father Time or fails a drug test or gets fired for a random reason.

So while yes, the current system doesn't have much structure, at least it gives us variety as well as a chance to someone who otherwise wouldn't.

Well if you lose the title fight you should have to drop all the way back to the bottom and work your way up. Kinda like Mortal Kombat

[Brickbat]

Here is the pecking order as stands, HW if you beat Frank Mir you get title shot, LHW if you beat Machida you get title shot, MW if you beat Brian Stann you get title shot, WW, you beat KOS/Fitch you get title shot, LW if you beat Clay Guida you get title shot, FW is you beat Migel Torres you get title shot, BW too early. . .

[BigSexy]

god forbid competition and the best woman or man win

[MurderfaceMMA]

Theres too many variables that would make a fixed system impossible. You have injuries, failed piss tests, trouble with getting agreements to fight on certain dates, etc. Besides, i like grudge matches, rematches (sometimes), hell even freak show fights like Couture/Toney.