Shogun Vs. Jones revisited

[tapnaporsnapp]

this fight made me for Shogun and scream War Jones
Bones is pforp current greatest, he will beat fedor, he would beat Silva, Hed destory GSP

[MurderfaceMMA]

So I rewatched Shogun vs. Jones yesterday.

There's no debate - Jones outclassed Shogun in this one.

Yes Shogun was destroyed. He took so much damage from Jones right off the bat and then some that it was inevitable. The worst of it though was probably the grueling GnP that ensued (with devastating elbows to the body and a few clean ones to the head) and the 3 or 4 flying knees that landed flush throughout the fight. This was all topped with a beautiful left hook to the liver at the very end - which i've noticed has become one of Jones' favorite strikes since.

Also, this fight was spent on the ground A LOT with Jones on top. Shogun was constantly going for a shrimp position possibly to escape but was held there by Jones. He also had a few sub attempts that failed (notably a knee bar attempt - which interestingly Jones almost put him in at the end of the 1st or 2nd ).

Yet even though Shogun took the beatdown of his life - he brought it to Jones. Never stopped going forward. He even landed a few good shots.
This has made me wonder - If Shogun brings that same frame of mind in an eventual rematch, with the experience of fighting Jones once and the extra footage to study - could we expect a more competitive fight? Perhaps a different outcome?

Watching the fight i really got the feeling that Shogun was off that night and made poor choices in both in his striking and ground game.

First of all, eventual rematch? Don't act like it's guaranteed you never know in the fight biz, shogun took a damn beating in his last fight you can't say that did him any favors although it was my pick for fight of the year, he took a damn beating. who knows what the future holds, don't act like anything is guaranteed.

Shogun is a long way from a rematch. First he needs to prove himself worthy of a title shot by winning several fights in a row, which i doubt he will accomplish.

[jjmmajkd]

XDDDD wow i think ive posted that fight too many times latly

[GhostSniper]

Jesus Christ, this is like the third time this thread has been posted this week.

And this is the 9th time you've posted in them.

[anthony31]

Shogun would win. If shogun was healthy and didn't undergo double knee surgery and miss training again he would win in a rematch. His performance vs jones was the exact same that we saw against mark coleman when he underwent double knee surgery. I think once shogun gets a few fights back in him and is healthy he could very well beat jones.

So many people Expect fighters to win their first fight back. Statistics show that more the 75 percent of the fighters actually lose their first fight back from a surgery. I really hope shogun gets a rematch, I would take that bet all day.
Watch out for GSP when he returns. He is clearly the best in his division and I would not be surprised one bit if he lost.

[RustyCooter]

Shogun would win. If shogun was healthy and didn't undergo double knee surgery and miss training again he would win in a rematch. His performance vs jones was the exact same that we saw against mark coleman when he underwent double knee surgery. I think once shogun gets a few fights back in him and is healthy he could very well beat jones.

So many people Expect fighters to win their first fight back. Statistics show that more the 75 percent of the fighters actually lose their first fight back from a surgery. I really hope shogun gets a rematch, I would take that bet all day.
Watch out for GSP when he returns. He is clearly the best in his division and I would not be surprised one bit if he lost.

HE WAS HEALTHY!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?! SHOGUN SAID HE WAS HEALTHY!!! DID COLEMAN HURT SHOGUN WITH A KNEE SECONDS INTO THE FIGHT? NO

[masmotors]

i say age if shogn wa s younger maybe but his knee and bones huge frame wth his skill mlooks bad for him but i cant wait for him to be kod

[Roadkill66]

I think the only damage done to Bones was when he punched the mat, attempting to cave Shogun's face in. Then of course Shogun pulled a "no mas" about 5 seconds later.

So I think the only thing Shogun has a chance at in a rematch is getting finished a little earlier and not having to take as much punishment.

[SpacexBound]

Shogun doesnt have a chance..

Their will be a rematch and i bet Shogun fights Jones the way he fought Machida the first time...smart and patient.

[ZachGeiser]

End this thread please.

[The3rdEye]

So Jones has fought off submissions from BJJ black belts? I guess Bader, Rampage and Evans are BJJ guys. I know Machida is supposed to have good BJJ but he never shows it. I was thinking about Silva's TDD the other day. Who has successfully taken him down at will other than Sonnen? Sonnen has the best take downs other than GSP in all of MMA. So can we really say Silva has poor TDD? Maybe he does but really, I don't think so.

Silva is a much better striker than Jones. He has better defense, better footwork and overall better technique. Add to the fact that Silva is in the top 5 all time best chins in MMA and you can see why your Jones>>>>>Silva logic is flawed. Silva would stand in front of Jones and outstrike him badly. Jones would try and take Silva down and if he did would get submitted by a legitimate black belt.

SIlva>>>>>>>>>Jones all the time, every time.

Well... that's the difference between someone that's got a good read on how a fight would go down and someone who doesn't. Some people need to see Jones fight more to have a better grasp on how he'd do against fighters A,B, and C. I only need to see one or two key fights to know.

I don't really care about how Sonnen took Silva down... or even how Lutter did it. I look at Hendo. I look at how he got the body lock and took him down and pounded on his head for the remainder of the first round. I look at the second round- and even though he wasn't able to take Silva down again- I'm more interested in the fact that he body locked him again and held him due to fatigue, tried to take him down, and released the hold... rather than Silva escaping it. I know that Hendo was gassing and was no longer able to use his wrestling effectively so no big deal.

Then I look at Randy Couture coming off of losses against Brock and Big Nog.... still a dangerous fighter.... up against Brandon Vera, who himself has a decade of Greco wrestling background and is a former heavyweight himself. Couture was only able to momentarily take him down once in the first round and was forced to hold him against the cage for most of the fight.

Jones took Vera down like nothing and made Couture's effort look like....I don't know what. Jones can shoot doubles and Jones can take you down from the clinch. Although he didn't try to take Rashad down, he made every other wrestler look bad....really bad.

I don't need to see Jones face off against 10 more bjj blackbelts to have a sense of how good and knowledgable he would be at effectively breaking down Anderson Silva's jiu jitsu game.

I can see he was taught well for the fight with Shogun and that everything was planned and executed to perfection on the ground. He wasn't sloppy and going 90mph like Sonnen, nor did he rush the way Lesnar rushed to pass Cain's guard allowing him to scramble to his feet. Jones took his time and was very methodical as to how he was maintaining his position/ controlling shogun's position, and unleashing his attacks.

Now do you see why Jones>>>>>>>>>silva? No, I don't think you do. That's why I'm up here and you're down there. I have a pretty solid read on this outcome. That Jones would be able to take Silva down with ease(shooting or from clinch), and that Silva would get smashed badly on the ground with little hope for miraculously manuevering out of Jones' dominant wrestling abilities and understanding of submission defense.

[feelthepain]

Shogun doesnt have a chance..

I beg to differ, let us not forget that shogun wasnt 100% fully recovered from his knee surgery and it showed in his cardio. Jones may defeat Shogun in a rematch,but to say Shogun has no chance is just abserd. or absurd.

He was 100%. He said it himself.

Shogun never makes excuses for himself. So I will for him.

[feelthepain]

Shogun would win. If shogun was healthy and didn't undergo double knee surgery and miss training again he would win in a rematch. His performance vs jones was the exact same that we saw against mark coleman when he underwent double knee surgery. I think once shogun gets a few fights back in him and is healthy he could very well beat jones.

So many people Expect fighters to win their first fight back. Statistics show that more the 75 percent of the fighters actually lose their first fight back from a surgery. I really hope shogun gets a rematch, I would take that bet all day.
Watch out for GSP when he returns. He is clearly the best in his division and I would not be surprised one bit if he lost.

HE WAS HEALTHY!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?! SHOGUN SAID HE WAS HEALTHY!!! DID COLEMAN HURT SHOGUN WITH A KNEE SECONDS INTO THE FIGHT? NO

Whoa Whoa calm down man. Machida hurt Shogun with a knee to the gut early.

[feelthepain]

Im just gonna say it. If Jones didnt have that damn long reach, he wouldnt be what he is. I know thats obvious,but i wanted to point that out.

[PsychoBells]

Im just gonna say it. If Jones didnt have that damn long reach, he wouldnt be what he is. I know thats obvious,but i wanted to point that out.

Then it's up to every other LHW fighter to find a way around that
Then Jones really will be Tim Sylvia