UFC 145: Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans

[Robert_The_Line]

So Hendos up next, and after that........

Where does Rashad go from here as well, wasn't the move to MW mentioned a couple of times in the past or was that just on this site?

rematch with machida possible - who else is there in the division apart from gus

[pennfan13]

after watching the fight last night, even my butthole hurts. poor rashad. hendo wont stand much of a chance unless he gets one real good right hand on him. its gonna take a reallll dominant guy to win against jones. someone who can get him down and keep him there.

[GUNNER2010]

Good fight, I honestly did not see Rashad's chin holding up for five rounds.

[50calReaper]

its funny that people say jones only has success standing because of his reach but the best shots he landed all fight were those short elbows which were well within rashads striking range

Its funny that you don't realize that those elbows work as well as they do because of his reach. His elbow reach is a lot of other fighter's punch reach... lol.

No. You have to basically cut your reach in half in order to land an elbow like that. So it goes from around 84.5 to 42.25 (it's not exact but that's why I said "around). So please, don't try to discredit it. He rocked Rashad within Rashad's comfort zone.


On another note...look how far Jones has come. Before his title fight with Rua, many people were saying that he was undeserving and that he was going to get dismantled. We all know what happened. A few fights later, and all of his haters are like Anderson Silva haters. And by that I mean...every time he beats a legitimate opponent, the very next opponent always has the fight in the bag for SOME reason. With Okami, he was going to manhandle Anderson...and he didn't even get Anderson down to a knee...yet he is still regarded to have bad TDD. So now with Jones, he spanked Rashad for 5 rounds and beat the man who was his biggest test thus far, yet now people are looking at Gus, Gayguard, and Hendo? Seriously? Does anybody realize just how stupid that really is?

[WestCoastKilla]

Dominant champions will always have their nay-sayers. Georges has them, Anderson has them, Fedor had them and Jon has them too. Few things piss people off more than the rampant success of others.

At this rate it seems the only person who is going to beat Jon is himself, blow out a knee or an ankle in practice which will give the competition a weakness to exploit because as it stands now the dude looks untouchable.

[MurderfaceMMA]

Jones wouldnt be as good if he didnt have a long reach.
Vitor wouldnt be as good if he lost his hand speed.
Fedor wouldnt be as good if he couldnt punch hard.
Machida wouldnt be as good if he had a wooden peg leg.

I like holding physical traits against fighters, and I like pointing out the obvious.

[RebelSaki]

You know, fuck all these blind haters saying Gegard would have no chance. I've got little respect for your MMA knowledge if that's the case

[JChaos]

its funny that people say jones only has success standing because of his reach but the best shots he landed all fight were those short elbows which were well within rashads striking range

Its funny that you don't realize that those elbows work as well as they do because of his reach. His elbow reach is a lot of other fighter's punch reach... lol.

No. You have to basically cut your reach in half in order to land an elbow like that. So it goes from around 84.5 to 42.25 (it's not exact but that's why I said "around). So please, don't try to discredit it. He rocked Rashad within Rashad's comfort zone.

Make any argument you want, Bones can hit elbows from farther out than every other fighter can. You don't expect to be hit with elbows from that range. Plain and simple. Hence, his elbows are more effective because of his range.

Futhermore, most of his elbows came off of him forcing Rashad out of his range by either pawing or hand fighting him. I'm not saying they weren't impressive, or that Jones doesn't have great striking, just that it's silly to say it's not hugely affected by his massive range.

[MurderfaceMMA]

its funny that people say jones only has success standing because of his reach but the best shots he landed all fight were those short elbows which were well within rashads striking range

Its funny that you don't realize that those elbows work as well as they do because of his reach. His elbow reach is a lot of other fighter's punch reach... lol.

No. You have to basically cut your reach in half in order to land an elbow like that. So it goes from around 84.5 to 42.25 (it's not exact but that's why I said "around). So please, don't try to discredit it. He rocked Rashad within Rashad's comfort zone.

Make any argument you want, Bones can hit elbows from farther out than every other fighter can. You don't expect to be hit with elbows from that range. Plain and simple. Hence, his elbows are more effective because of his range.

Futhermore, most of his elbows came off of him forcing Rashad out of his range by either pawing or hand fighting him. I'm not saying they weren't impressive, or that Jones doesn't have great striking, just that it's silly to say it's not hugely affected by his massive range.

Jones wouldnt be as good if he didnt have a long reach.
Vitor wouldnt be as good if he lost his hand speed.
Fedor wouldnt be as good if he couldnt punch hard.
Machida wouldnt be as good if he had a wooden peg leg.

I like holding physical traits against fighters, and I like pointing out the obvious.

[50calReaper]

its funny that people say jones only has success standing because of his reach but the best shots he landed all fight were those short elbows which were well within rashads striking range

Its funny that you don't realize that those elbows work as well as they do because of his reach. His elbow reach is a lot of other fighter's punch reach... lol.

No. You have to basically cut your reach in half in order to land an elbow like that. So it goes from around 84.5 to 42.25 (it's not exact but that's why I said "around). So please, don't try to discredit it. He rocked Rashad within Rashad's comfort zone.

Make any argument you want, Bones can hit elbows from farther out than every other fighter can. You don't expect to be hit with elbows from that range. Plain and simple. Hence, his elbows are more effective because of his range.

Futhermore, most of his elbows came off of him forcing Rashad out of his range by either pawing or hand fighting him. I'm not saying they weren't impressive, or that Jones doesn't have great striking, just that it's silly to say it's not hugely affected by his massive range.

Your original point was that his elbows had the same range as other people's punches...and now you're changing your position? Ok...well how do you know what Rashad was expecting and not expecting? Furthermore...how is it Jones' fault if Rashad is caught off guard by a short elbow? That's called strategy. Are we seriously discrediting Jones based on his strategy now? Because whether you realize it or not, that's what you're doing.

Jones wins fights because he's the better fighter, not because he has longer arms. Fighters with long arms have been beaten by short armed fighters time and time again. Having short arms has it's advantages too (like being able to generate more power in a shorter arch with less wind-up than your opponent) so people need to stop acting like Jones has an unfair advantage. Every fighter has their own physical gifts.

[JChaos]

Jones wouldnt be as good if he didnt have a long reach.
Vitor wouldnt be as good if he lost his hand speed.
Fedor wouldnt be as good if he couldnt punch hard.
Machida wouldnt be as good if he had a wooden peg leg.

I like holding physical traits against fighters, and I like pointing out the obvious.

If you can't use an advantage a fighter has to reason why he would win a fight what can you use?

Not much discussion would happen on this site if after every fight people just said "He was better". I'm simply giving the reasons why he was better.

[MurderfaceMMA]

Jones wouldnt be as good if he didnt have a long reach.
Vitor wouldnt be as good if he lost his hand speed.
Fedor wouldnt be as good if he couldnt punch hard.
Machida wouldnt be as good if he had a wooden peg leg.

I like holding physical traits against fighters, and I like pointing out the obvious.

If you can't use an advantage a fighter has to reason why he would win a fight what can you use?

Not much discussion would happen on this site if after every fight people just said "He was better". I'm simply giving the reasons why he was better.

It seems like people are trying to use Jones reach as a way to discredit him. Maybe YOU arent doing it, but i think some people are and its retarded, and im going to enjoy making them look foolish because of it.

[JChaos]

His elbow reach is a lot of other fighter's punch reach... lol.

Your original point was that his elbows had the same range as other people's punches...and now you're changing your position? Ok...well how do you know what Rashad was expecting and not expecting? Furthermore...how is it Jones' fault if Rashad is caught off guard by a short elbow? That's called strategy. Are we seriously discrediting Jones based on his strategy now? Because whether you realize it or not, that's what you're doing.

Jones wins fights because he's the better fighter, not because he has longer arms. Fighters with long arms have been beaten by short armed fighters time and time again. Having short arms has it's advantages too (like being able to generate more power in a shorter arch with less wind-up than your opponent) so people need to stop acting like Jones has an unfair advantage. Every fighter has their own physical gifts.

I exaggerated his reach as a joke, hence the "... lol" Clearly the length of his upper arm is not longer than any fighter's full arm length... except maybe Sean Sherk... lol. <---- also a joke.

Who said it's Jones' fault? Giving a reason why a fighter won a fight doesn't discredit the fighter, it just gives a reason why they won. Never said his reach was an unfair advantage, never said that if he didn't have his reach he wouldn't be as good a fighter (though, he wouldn't really, you take something out of someone's skill set and it unquestionably makes them less a fighter) That's not to say that if he didn't have his reach he would suck either.

Get off Jones' nuts and stop being so butthurt for a second and realize that my original post was stated simply to give Rashad credit where credit was due. It was in no way an attack on Jones, or his obvious skill.

[50calReaper]

You know, fuck all these blind haters saying Gegard would have no chance. I've got little respect for your MMA knowledge if that's the case

Your whole case for Gegard was based off of "Jones landing aggressive ground and pound and getting a submission" and if that's the only way he can win, that's sad. Jones would outstrike him a bit with his rangy fighting and then rip Gegard to the floor and pound him out. It's happened to many other fighters before, so to say Jones couldn't do that to Mousasi is silly. Mousasi looks impressive in SF and I like watching his fights, but his competition leaves something to be desired. Compare that to the Top 5 LHWs that Jones just dominated and I'm not really seeing how that discredits my knowledge of MMA. On top of that, Jones has out-struck everybody he has faced. Rua, Jackson, Machida, Rashad. All of which have better striking than Gegard (with the exception of Jackson because his is primarily a boxer, not really a striker) so I'm also not really buying into the Mousasi striking hype. I mean, did you see what Jardine was able to do? Jardine?! Let alone Jones...

It would be an interesting fight, and sure Gegard would have the usual puncher's chance, but the probability of him winning is very slim. Jones is a good game-planner (along with Greg Jackson) and a smart fighter who has the proven ability to adjust mid-fight. Mousasi has not proven any such ability, especially in getting wrestleraped by King Mo.

[MurderfaceMMA]

You know, fuck all these blind haters saying Gegard would have no chance. I've got little respect for your MMA knowledge if that's the case

Your whole case for Gegard was based off of "Jones landing aggressive ground and pound and getting a submission" and if that's the only way he can win, that's sad. Jones would outstrike him a bit with his rangy fighting and then rip Gegard to the floor and pound him out. It's happened to many other fighters before, so to say Jones couldn't do that to Mousasi is silly. Mousasi looks impressive in SF and I like watching his fights, but his competition leaves something to be desired. Compare that to the Top 5 LHWs that Jones just dominated and I'm not really seeing how that discredits my knowledge of MMA. On top of that, Jones has out-struck everybody he has faced. Rua, Jackson, Machida, Rashad. All of which have better striking than Gegard (with the exception of Jackson because his is primarily a boxer, not really a striker) so I'm also not really buying into the Mousasi striking hype. I mean, did you see what Jardine was able to do? Jardine?! Let alone Jones...

It would be an interesting fight, and sure Gegard would have the usual puncher's chance, but the probability of him winning is very slim. Jones is a good game-planner (along with Greg Jackson) and a smart fighter who has the proven ability to adjust mid-fight. Mousasi has not proven any such ability, especially in getting wrestleraped by King Mo.

Yeah, this.