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A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby rascalraidex » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:13 pm

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Would you fight your friend? Seriously think about that question for a minute…

It is a simple question, and one would think a simple answer would follow: No. Why would anyone fight one of their friends? That’s not something a friend would do. A very simple answer indeed…unless you are talking about mixed martial arts.

This question has been brought up before, when fans were clamoring for Anderson Silva to move up to fight his friend and training partner Lyoto Machida when Machida held the Light Heavyweight Championship, and when Dana White expressed interest in seeing Josh Koscheck take on his good friend, Jon Fitch. In both scenarios the friends said they would not fight each other, no matter what. And both times White was clearly disappointed.

Well, it has been thrust into the limelight once more, this time by Anderson Silva. Silva sat down with SporTV, where they informed him that Dana White has no time for this “friend not fighting friend” business, to which Silva replied:

“It’s funny to say that, right? If that was the case, I would like to ask him if he’d like to split the UFC with Lorenzo, each would have their own show fighting for audience and sponsorship and everything else that involves their business. They’re friends, partners…What I think is that friends shouldn’t fight. Dana doesn’t fight. He sells well the fight, he’s a good promoter, but he isn’t a fighter. I have nothing against Dana, I admire him, but he doesn’t know what this is, and he can’t say that two friends should fight.”

Silva made it clear that relationships between teammates goes beyond the training room floor, and he doesn’t think he, or anyone else, should fight someone he’s around daily.

“We spend more time together than with our own families. We share the pains, the frustrations, and just because he wants to sell a fight that he thinks it would be cool and that the public would like to see two companions fighting. He wants to match a fight with two friends? That’s impossible, it only happens with people who aren’t real friends. We have a philosophy in our team that, regardless of two being from the same weight class and the same objective of being UFC Champions, we know that this won’t happen. MMA is not a collective sport. It’s not normal for me to fight a guy that I live with everyday. It’s natural to him, because he doesn’t fight and hasn’t even got pinched once.”

Excellent points by Silva, and I’m inclined to agree with him. But there is another side to this coin. A side with equal arguments as to why a teammate and friend should fight another. When Dana White caught wind of Silva’s comments, he retorted with his own reasoning as to why they could, and should battle it out in the cage.

“This isn’t baseball or football. They aren’t a team. They train together, go out together, but they aren’t a team that plays together. I’d like for Anderson to tell me if I’m wrong: he has the belt, the fame, the money, and it is because of that, that there are many guys who’d like to be Anderson Silva, especially those inside his gym and are friends of his. Many friends of his would love to have that belt and they should fight for it. If they have to fight, it doesn’t mean that they don’t like each other, that they can’t be friends. It’s business, it’s what they do for a living.”

“If this was something I and Lorenzo would have to fight, we would. If Lorenzo has the title and I’d have to fight him, it’s what would happen. It’s not personal, it’s only to see who’s best. Imagine two famous teams in Brazil, such as Flamengo and Corinthians. Imagine if they would refuse to play against each other because they’re friends, because they like each other. ‘We don’t want to play you, we’d hurt your feelings.’ Oh Anderson, come on…”

A great stance by White, and nearly everything he said has merit. If this is a true sport, why shouldn’t friends be able to battle it out to see who’s best? And the point about other teammates wanting what Silva has is most likely true. Who wouldn’t want to hold the belt and be considered one of the top fighters in the world, and get everything that comes along with it?

Who wouldn’t, indeed.

But where White fails to drive his point home is when he says this isn’t a team sport, that these guys aren’t on a team, but then he compares it to two teams not playing each other because of “feelings.” That’s right, these guys aren’t competing as a team, but that’s not the point Silva was trying to convey. Silva isn’t saying he wouldn’t fight anyone he knows, he’s saying he wouldn’t fight a friend. Fighting a friend could destroy a friendship (See: Rashad Evans / Jon Jones). White wants to compare it to team sports (or not compare, whichever suits his purpose), but in those team sports you aren’t trying to physically harm your opponent. In mixed martial arts, more than “feelings” get hurt. If you go outside with a basketball and challenge your best friend to a pick-up game, the loser doesn’t come away with a busted nose, blackened eye, and deep gashes. He doesn’t have to ride in an ambulance after the game because he was knocked unconscious or because he didn’t want to tap to an Armbar.

That’s the difference. In this sport you physically harm your opponent, you don’t put a ball through a hoop. You may not want to cause pain, but that’s the outcome of head kicks and right crosses. And in this sport you have to do whatever it takes to win. Could you go out there and smash your friend’s face in to attain a golden belt, knowing full well he has a wife and kids at home? A wife and kids that pray every time he goes out there that he doesn’t get seriously injured and comes back safe and sound.

Could you honestly do that? Think long and hard before you answer, because that guy, the one that would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it, his well being depends on it.

If it were me, I don’t think I could, but there is no right or wrong answer. Ultimately, I think it’s up to the team itself to decide such things, not the promoters.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/fighting-friends-not-fighting

Pretty decent opinion article, although I don't know about the credibility of the quotes.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby Longview » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:54 pm

If i was a fighter and I was asked to fight my friend, Id like to think the friends i chose have enough sense to realise that it isnt personal its buisness... that being said I could see it being easy to become bitter if I was defeated by them or vice versa especially if one just ran threw the other
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby kaliheadchopper » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:05 pm

personally I couldn't bring myself to battering a friends face with elbows that could break an orbital bone, or a concussion rendering kick to the head. To know he's hurt from a blow then go after him to knock him out ain't cool with me. Obviously I'm not a cage fighter living the lifestyle so it's all just perception. Dana isn't a fighter who trains with friends either. I agree with AS on this one.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby BakMan » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:13 pm

It's down to the fighters. Guys like Anderson and Fitch don't want to, but Chael Sonnen has and has also said that he prepared to do so in the future. Different friendships and different personalities will see it differently
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby rascalraidex » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:14 pm

Longview wrote:If i was a fighter and I was asked to fight my friend, Id like to think the friends i chose have enough sense to realise that it isnt personal its buisness... that being said I could see it being easy to become bitter if I was defeated by them or vice versa especially if one just ran threw the other

Me too... I have seen verbal arguments split up friendships, much less elbows to the face or breaking someones arm. I could definitely see the 'business' aspect of it, but then again, I really have no desire to injure a friend. I am sure this reluctance could easily translate into a lackluster performance on both parts.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby rascalraidex » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:21 pm

BakMan wrote:It's down to the fighters. Guys like Anderson and Fitch don't want to, but Chael Sonnen has and has also said that he prepared to do so in the future. Different friendships and different personalities will see it differently

Not to derail the thread, but Sonnen isn't exactly the most moral person, either. He would probably GnP his own mother if it meant money and attention.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby irishmike357 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:28 pm

I have fought friends before. True friends remain after the punches stop. And there was not money on the line. I would fight any capable male on the planet for money :lol:
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby justmessing » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:32 pm

BakMan wrote:It's down to the fighters. Guys like Anderson and Fitch don't want to, but Chael Sonnen has and has also said that he prepared to do so in the future. Different friendships and different personalities will see it differently

agree with this ^
ive scrapped friends outside the gym, i busted up a very good buddy with an elbow one time, and felt bad about it. the same guy also drove me to the clinic to get stitches, when i tried to break his fist with my face the night before. to each their own, if they dont want to take the fight, dont take it. if they are willing, im sure they will hug it out before and after, have a brew ( or wheatgrass ) and watch the fight together.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby Fuchan » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:37 pm

If fighting were business, dana would get fucked by Lorenzo then run out crying ala forrest
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby justmessing » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:50 pm

Fuchan wrote:If fighting were business, dana would get fucked by Lorenzo then run out crying ala forrest

somewhat on that note - i just finished pat miletechs book - somewhere in the zuffa contract it was decided that if the board disagreed about something and couldnt come to a conclusion, it would be settled by a jits match between frank and lorenzo
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby Fuchan » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:52 pm

justmessing wrote:
Fuchan wrote:If fighting were business, dana would get fucked by Lorenzo then run out crying ala forrest

somewhat on that note - i just finished pat miletechs book - somewhere in the zuffa contract it was decided that if the board disagreed about something and couldnt come to a conclusion, it would be settled by a jits match between frank and lorenzo


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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby BigKahuna » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:11 pm

Teammates should fight each other if you are in the same weight class. How can you say you want to be a champion but wont fight a friend thats aiming for the same thing?
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Postby timbercutter » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:25 pm

sports nickel?......really?
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby ballsmcgee » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

Seems like it depends on the fighter. I could definitely see how it would be weird to slice a buddy up with elbows on the ground. Or targeting the ribs after you noticed he was hurt.
And can you imagine continuing a friendship with someone if they pulled out the footstomp on you? Pshhh...footstomp.
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Re: A. Silva & D. White on fighting a friend.

Postby Brian12817 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:39 pm

I see both aspects. I think the fans think it's bullshit because they just want to see fights. I don't blame Anderson for not wanting to move to 205. It's not just Lyoto (which would be a sick fight), there's also LittleBig Nog. These gyms are not just gyms you go and train at, you look at these people as your own family. After watching Like Water, I really understood and appreciated that part.
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