Question about the Twister Submission

by Ty » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:22 pm

I just recently read that Twisters and Crucifix submissions are illegal in the UFC, does anyone know why? They're not unlike any other submission where there is risk of injury or a broken bone involved so why are they set apart and not allowed? If you were to get caught in either one of these you would have a sufficient amount of time to tap just like anything else. Granted a Crucifix Hold ties up both arms but there is always verbal submission at that point.

I'm pretty good at catching someone with a twister and I know how painful they can be. During practices when I learn a new submission I'll often have someone execute it on me to understand better how it works, to find out how painful it really is, and to recognize possible escape routes (kind of like a cop who wants to carry a taser must first take a hit from one).

I know these submissions aren't that common to begin with but I don't, by any stretch of the imagination, believe they should be illegal.

Thoughts? Feedback?

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by **halal pig** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:55 pm

u really just said it. although you can verbally sumbmit it isnt recommended. wat if they said it softly u cant go to a repay to hear a verbal tap. besides the crucifix can be done two ways. it could be either a choke or neck crank. as a neck crank it applies pressure on the neck very fast making it dangerous. im actually surprised the heel hook isnt illegal. as for the twister ive only seen it once and i dont remember it too well but im pretty sure it applies the same kind of pressure. all i kno is when i saw it i just thought thats is not worth lerning at all

by **Headhunter** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:53 pm

they attack the spine/vertebrae so they aren't allowed.

by Ty » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:08 pm

THEBURNZ wrote:a twister is called a guilatine in wrestling and its a pinning combination you can do and you can crank it as hard as you can

In the sig above your post there is a fight ending in a twister, and I specifically remember Mayhem trying to pull one off in the WEC though I forget his opponent, is it really illegal in the UFC and if it is why do other organizations allow it?

by **Stand-up_Philosopher** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:12 pm

Yeah the ufc and most organizations don't allow attacks on the spine.

Shayna's submission was done in elite xc. She is flippin awsome !

by Ty » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:17 pm

Stand-up_Philosopher wrote:Yeah the ufc and most organizations don't allow attacks on the spine.

Shayna's submission was done in elite xc. She is flippin awsome !

I thought UFC and WEC were more or less the same organizations, I know they have a lot of rotating fighters, and I heard they're merging a few weight classes before too long.

by **Headhunter** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:14 pm

it's a rule specific to the UFC, because either royler or rorion gracie owned of the UFC when it first started and neck cranks are illegal in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but it's not an official commission rule even though it should be

by **Stand-up_Philosopher** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:31 pm

Headhunter wrote:it's a rule specific to the UFC, because either royler or rorion gracie owned of the UFC when it first started and neck cranks are illegal in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but it's not an official commission rule even though it should be

I should have known it had something to do with the Gracies...

by **Headhunter** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:15 am

Stand-up_Philosopher wrote:
Headhunter wrote:it's a rule specific to the UFC, because either royler or rorion gracie owned of the UFC when it first started and neck cranks are illegal in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but it's not an official commission rule even though it should be

I should have known it had something to do with the Gracies...

those god damn gracies will fuck eddie bravo over when ever they get the chance. dammit rorion!!!!!!!