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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby drunkendood » Mon May 07, 2012 4:44 pm

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polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt

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Both cerrone and miller were 1 fight away from a shot and Nate gave them both the beating of their careers. Pettis looked like shit against guida, wrestled a win over mid tier Stephens, and got a flash ko at the beginning of the fight against lauzon which is his only impressive UFC win



Pettis beat Henderson and that should still hold a lot of weight, even if it was in the WEC. That being said Diaz has lit up Gomi, Cerrone and Miller in succession so Diaz is definitely first in line. If Pettis had dispatched Stephens like he did Lauzon maybe I'd be singin a different tune.
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 4:47 pm

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polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt


im gonna have to re watch the pettis/guida fight but from what I can remember guida just kept taking him down and doing very little with it, while pettis fought as much as he could from his back

Diaz has done well since returning to the LW division after his two loses to Rory Macdonald and DHK but prior to him moving up to WW for those fights he had lost 3 our of his last four

basically I just think that Pettis deserves it more but that's just my personal opinion
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby mark7 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:22 pm

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polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt


im gonna have to re watch the pettis/guida fight but from what I can remember guida just kept taking him down and doing very little with it, while pettis fought as much as he could from his back

Diaz has done well since returning to the LW division after his two loses to Rory Macdonald and DHK but prior to him moving up to WW for those fights he had lost 3 our of his last four

basically I just think that Pettis deserves it more but that's just my personal opinion


i could make that same argument for basically all of nates ufc loses. cerrone was on a tear and nobody was lining up to fight him and nate completely dominated him. jim miller has only lost to the two guys fighting for the belt and maynard, while never being finished. nate knocked him down and submitted him. i think those two wins are a lot better then a lack luster win over stephens and a nice ko over joe, both of which arent really top guys
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:33 pm

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mark7 wrote:
polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt


im gonna have to re watch the pettis/guida fight but from what I can remember guida just kept taking him down and doing very little with it, while pettis fought as much as he could from his back

Diaz has done well since returning to the LW division after his two loses to Rory Macdonald and DHK but prior to him moving up to WW for those fights he had lost 3 our of his last four

basically I just think that Pettis deserves it more but that's just my personal opinion


i could make that same argument for basically all of nates ufc loses. cerrone was on a tear and nobody was lining up to fight him and nate completely dominated him. jim miller has only lost to the two guys fighting for the belt and maynard, while never being finished. nate knocked him down and submitted him. i think those two wins are a lot better then a lack luster win over stephens and a nice ko over joe, both of which arent really top guys


Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby yoseph » Mon May 07, 2012 5:45 pm

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mark7 wrote:
polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt


im gonna have to re watch the pettis/guida fight but from what I can remember guida just kept taking him down and doing very little with it, while pettis fought as much as he could from his back

Diaz has done well since returning to the LW division after his two loses to Rory Macdonald and DHK but prior to him moving up to WW for those fights he had lost 3 our of his last four

basically I just think that Pettis deserves it more but that's just my personal opinion

All of Diaz's losses (excluding rory fight) have been like that but people just say how garbage he is. Same with mousasi. Why should Pettis get any special treatment? He lost by wrestling in an sport that scores heavily on wrestling.
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 5:57 pm

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markymark1985 wrote:
mark7 wrote:
polito wrote:Pettis is currently pissed off about not receiving the title shot he earned. I totally agree with him on that. I thought after Nate's victory that for sure Pettis vs Diaz winner gets the title shot. Then I hear Dana is so impressed with nate's destruction of jimmy. As far as what WILL happen... I have no idea, but right now Diaz vs Pettis makes the most sense.


dude honestly pettis hasnt earned shit, he lost to guida, barely beat jeremy stephens and had a nice ko his last fight vs joe. joes a good fighter but he's definitely not at the top of the division and beating him doesnt warrant a title shot imo. he needs to beat a top guy like diaz just did to earn a shot at the belt


im gonna have to re watch the pettis/guida fight but from what I can remember guida just kept taking him down and doing very little with it, while pettis fought as much as he could from his back

Diaz has done well since returning to the LW division after his two loses to Rory Macdonald and DHK but prior to him moving up to WW for those fights he had lost 3 our of his last four

basically I just think that Pettis deserves it more but that's just my personal opinion

All of Diaz's losses (excluding rory fightand the Franca Arm bar) have been like that but people just say how garbage he is. Same with mousasi. Why should Pettis get any special treatment? He lost by wrestling in an sport that scores heavily on wrestling.


Sorry if it seems like I'm calling Diaz garbage that was not my intent, the Diaz brothers bring it everytime and I have respect for that maybe not their attitudes....well Nicks more than Nates.
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby yoseph » Mon May 07, 2012 6:03 pm

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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


Condit shoulda got one too but instead he had to fight 5 times. Nick Diaz shoulda got an immediate shot coming from strikeforce but he had to beat Penn into retirement and still fight condit before a real title shot. IMO Pettis only looked impressive in the lauzon fight and it only lasted a minute.. So no, Pettis doesn't deserve the shot because he beat bendo in wec.
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby mark7 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:06 pm

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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


you have good arguments for pettis but i could say the same things for nate. stephens has never had a big win, and joe's biggest win was guillard, who miller also beat. i think they just have a similar streak except nates is longer and against slightly tougher comp. i would like to see them fight next, but i'd rather they both fight for the belt which means one would have to take another fight, and the way i see it it should be pettis who has to take another fight, so he could get a better streak going, maybe fight the winner of guida/maynard
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:07 pm

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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


Condit shoulda got one too but instead he had to fight 5 times. Nick Diaz shoulda got an immediate shot coming from strikeforce but he had to beat Penn into retirement and still fight condit before a real title shot. IMO Pettis only looked impressive in the lauzon fight and it only lasted a minute.. So no, Pettis doesn't deserve the shot because he beat bendo in wec.


Nick blew his title shot by not attending the press conference he was supposed to attend ( I think it was two or more don't quote me on the amount as I cant remember) Condit wasn't ready for a title shot at the time...again that's my opinion maybe it came down to marketability...the UFC doesn't always go with what is right more, what will make them the most money...simple business I guess
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:10 pm

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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


you have good arguments for pettis but i could say the same things for nate. stephens has never had a big win, and joe's biggest win was guillard, who miller also beat. i think they just have a similar streak except nates is longer and against slightly tougher comp. i would like to see them fight next, but i'd rather they both fight for the belt which means one would have to take another fight, and the way i see it it should be pettis who has to take another fight, so he could get a better streak going, maybe fight the winner of guida/maynard


Pettis 15-2, Diaz 16-7 granted two of those losses are at WW but so are two of the wins
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby yoseph » Mon May 07, 2012 6:11 pm

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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


Condit shoulda got one too but instead he had to fight 5 times. Nick Diaz shoulda got an immediate shot coming from strikeforce but he had to beat Penn into retirement and still fight condit before a real title shot. IMO Pettis only looked impressive in the lauzon fight and it only lasted a minute.. So no, Pettis doesn't deserve the shot because he beat bendo in wec.


Nick blew his title shot by not attending the press conference he was supposed to attend ( I think it was two or more don't quote me on the amount as I cant remember) Condit wasn't ready for a title shot at the time...again that's my opinion maybe it came down to marketability...the UFC doesn't always go with what is right more, what will make them the most money...simple business I guess

Pettis blew his shot losing to guida. Let him earn it by beating someone like Maynard or barboza.
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby markymark1985 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:12 pm

yoseph wrote:
markymark1985 wrote:
yoseph wrote:
markymark1985 wrote:
Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


Condit shoulda got one too but instead he had to fight 5 times. Nick Diaz shoulda got an immediate shot coming from strikeforce but he had to beat Penn into retirement and still fight condit before a real title shot. IMO Pettis only looked impressive in the lauzon fight and it only lasted a minute.. So no, Pettis doesn't deserve the shot because he beat bendo in wec.


Nick blew his title shot by not attending the press conference he was supposed to attend ( I think it was two or more don't quote me on the amount as I cant remember) Condit wasn't ready for a title shot at the time...again that's my opinion maybe it came down to marketability...the UFC doesn't always go with what is right more, what will make them the most money...simple business I guess

Pettis blew his shot losing to guida. Let him earn it by beating someone like Maynard or barboza.



Surely at this time Pettis Vs Diaz makes more sense?
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby yoseph » Mon May 07, 2012 6:14 pm

markymark1985 wrote:
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Cerrone was on a big win streak but his biggest win was probably Siver who was possibly his only top ten win... I could be wrong tho and Miller your right has only lost to Maynard, Edgar and the current champ but in all honesty his previous wins haven't been against the highest standard of fighter...again just my opinion, then again most ranking systems are flawed as people rank the fighters they like more above others etc just look at Aoki the dude keeps fighting what others call "cans" but is still considered top 5 in most rankings or there abouts, I think that we need to see Pettis VS Diaz these are the two closest to title contention and probably the most deserving, plus pettis really should have had a title shot a lot earlier being the last WEC with it being the "title unification" if you like


you have good arguments for pettis but i could say the same things for nate. stephens has never had a big win, and joe's biggest win was guillard, who miller also beat. i think they just have a similar streak except nates is longer and against slightly tougher comp. i would like to see them fight next, but i'd rather they both fight for the belt which means one would have to take another fight, and the way i see it it should be pettis who has to take another fight, so he could get a better streak going, maybe fight the winner of guida/maynard


Pettis 15-2, Diaz 16-7 granted two of those losses are at WW but so are two of the wins

Diaz has 16 UFC fights. Pettis has 3 and he is 2-1 out of those..
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Re: POLL: Will Nate change his mind about fighting sooner?

Postby 1098765432 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:16 pm

Im sure he wil choose to wait for the title shot that he KNOWS he doesnt even deserve yet.Why would he want to risk losing to better competition?He needs at least 1 more win against a top opponenet before he's earned the title shot.
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Postby 6RANDON1POSEY9 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:16 pm

It will take time, since he's clearly stupid...
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