Lesnar's streak in UFC or Shogun's 05 GP run..?

[Iceman54]

shogun's best win is chuck liddel who was shitting his pants and getting KO'd by MWs

Not true. His best wins were Rampage, Reem twice, prime little nog, and prime machida.

40 yr old Chuck >>>>

[BestWayKilla]

People who think Rampage was in his prime at the time Shogun fought him were obviously not watching at the time the fight happened.

Fine, before his prime. But that was still at a point when Rampage could do more than box. That was when Rampage was slamming and GNPing guys, so that's my counter to the argument. When he came to the UFC, Rampage lost every other aspect of his game.

[BestWayKilla]

People who think Rampage was in his prime at the time Shogun fought him were obviously not watching at the time the fight happened.

Fine, before his prime. But that was still at a point when Rampage could do more than box. That was when Rampage was slamming and GNPing guys, so that's my counter to the argument. When he came to the UFC, Rampage lost every other aspect of his game.

It kind of seems like people are blurring the line between modern UFC Rampage and the Rampage that entered the UFC, took the title from Chuck and even defended it against Henderson.

In PRIDE he was little more than a better Kevin Randleman, with worse wrestling and superior striking - he honed his talent and became more of a specialist by the time he entered the UFC and only then did he win a title. So in my mind there's really not even much argument whether a very green albeit more diverse Rampage was considered "better" or more "in his prime" than the Rampage that focused on his boxing and became a universally respected striker.

My point is when Shogun fought Rampage, he was one of the best light-heavyweights in the promotion, and had already established himself. It's not like anyone could just come along and kick Rampage's ass, especially not the way Shogun did. Wandy, in his prime, and yes, it was his prime, struggled with him twice, and Shogun obliterated him. So my point is, despite you considering Rampage to be relatively green at that point, he was still a very good fighter at this point and a very big win for Shogun, up to that point the biggest win of his career.

[PsychoBells]

Rampage in the beginning of his UFC run probably was better than PRIDE Rampage, if not only for better training/camps/motivation and what have you. But he fell pretty hard and fast after he lost the title, so an inclusive term like "UFC Rampage" might not be the most accurate thing.

[veinsonfire]

Any version of Lesnar beats any version of Shogun.

[FineChina]

Any version of Lesnar beats any version of Shogun.

Yup. I'm just picturing a repeat of...

[FineChina]

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[agonzalez1]

Lesnar defended and became an undisputed HW champ, Shogun tapped to a punch to the stomach

[philphan]

switch

Lesnar had a nice little Brock Run or Brun.

[veinsonfire]

Any version of Lesnar beats any version of Shogun.

Yup. I'm just picturing a repeat of...

If he's lucky.
If not then...

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[Dpez71]

People who think Rampage was in his prime at the time Shogun fought him were obviously not watching at the time the fight happened.

I guess you think Rampage was in his prime when he came to the UFC?

After the 2nd loss to Wand and when he fought Shogun, Rampage was at the time, thought to be shot as a fighter.

[Maru]

People who think Rampage was in his prime at the time Shogun fought him were obviously not watching at the time the fight happened.

I guess you think Rampage was in his prime when he came to the UFC?

After the 2nd loss to Wand and when he fought Shogun, Rampage was at the time, thought to be shot as a fighter.

Yup. This fact was further proved when he lost to MW Lindland in the WFA. Rampage was a bum in the UFC.

[mingjuice]

I think Chris Leben -> title shot is my favorite

LMAO, these take the cake:

Patrick Cote vs. Anderson Silva - Scott Smith, Jason Day, Kendall Grove, Drew McFedries, Ricardo Almeida (Split decision ) gets MW title shot

Thales Leites vs Anderson Silva - Pete Sell, Floyd Sword, Ryan Jensen, Nate Marquardt, Drew McFedries, MW title shot

Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva - Loses to Rampage in LHW title fight, gets MW title shot lol

Rich Franklin vs. Evan Tanner - Jorge Rivera, Curtis Stout, goes to LHW to fight Ken Shamrock, gets MW title shot

Vitor Belfort vs. Anderson Silva- Terry Martin, Matt Lindland, Rich Franklin (At catch weight), instant MW title shot after going 1-0 in the UFC

Nate Marquardt vs. Anderson Silva - Ivan Salaverry, Joe Doerksen, Crafton Wallace, Dean Lister, title shot

and finally, my favorite;

Travis Lutter vs. Anderson Silva - Wins TUF Finale against Patrick Cote, instant title shot.


Middleweight is SUCH a joke

hendo fought anderson to unify the pride and ufc titles though so it sort of made sense.
and the whole premise behind TUF 4 was the winner got a title shot.

[rust1d]

guess shogun has to stretcher vera out of the ring. a legend died the night of the jones fight.

[IKnowuWannaBeMe]

They're 1-1, and the rematch was close whereas the first fight was pure domination - I'd be curious to see a third fight.

I think Coleman would win by Sub or TKO.

Are you trying to say Coleman was dominating Shogun in their first fight? Seriously? If you are you might want to go back and rewatch the fight. The rematch was not really close as you want it to be. Shogun would finish Coleman again. Get over it dude, Shogun is a top LHW.