It is official: Anderson (and camp) duck Weidman

[Masterino]

Like I said in the original ShoDuck thread, ducking implies a level of contrivence that I don't believe simply refusing a fight can attain. But that's just IMO.

Sorry you can't go back now lol.

Anderson can duck whoever he wants, I don't give a shit. He could fight piles of rocks once every 10 years and I'd still be happy and still be excited for the fights.

Anyway, I would be inclined to agree with you; but then we would debate why he is refusing the fight, which imo is irrelevant. Why would a champ ever turn down a fight with the #1 contender? I could see if the GSP fight was on the table, but it is not for a very long time. Maybe he is scared of losing to Weidman, who really knows.

Im agreeing with the last part, Silva afraid of losing to Weedman.
'No! My legacy!!!' Pfff! I didnt hear Fedor crying, but then Fedor wasnt a Ufc champ being fed cans for legacy padding

[irishmike357]

Thank you. I disagree. I think that Rashad is the tougher fighter. I think he has more experience, better credentials, better game planning, is MUCH bigger and is, therefore a bigger threat. Do I think that Anderson is avoiding a fight with Weidman? Yes. Do I think that Rashad is a tougher fight? Yes. I rather see the supposed p4p king take a tougher fight, that's what super fights are about- one person moving up or moving down to pit the best of two different classes against each other. GSP or Rashad? I find it very hard to be upset about Weidman with these two in the conversation, and I think anyone that is upset about it is absolutely ridiculous, including yourself- baring a more elucidating argument.

I was done with this thread because of all the ridiculous posts, but honestly I enjoy debating with you. You present you points very well and don't feel the need to insult those with a different opinion. Thank you.

I have to agree Rashad has more experience and think that could hurt Weidman at this point (have said a bunch of times I want him to get another fight in first), not sure about the credentials though. Obviously better MMA credentials, but Weidman has great wrestling and grappling credentials. I think Serra and co are a great team though. Most of all there is no way you can say Rashad is way bigger. He fights in a higher weight class, but is 5'11". Weidman is 6'2". I won't complain if he fights Rashad, I just want him to fight. I think it is BS to call it a super fight when he takes on Rashad, especially coming off a loss though.

I will make this clear though. From day 1 of the Weidman talk I said I wanted another fight from him first, but he is all that is left without a fight, other than Boetsch . I would just like to see Silva fight again this year, instead of waiting for GSP 9 months from now, IF he even wins. If they book the Rashad fight I will be very happy, but at this time Rashad has not said he is dropping and the UFC has not offered it.

I am not upset Weidman is not getting a shot, I am upset that a UFC Champion and probably best fighter in the world today (maybe ever) is turning down a fight to defend his belt. I have never given Silva shit for not wanting to fight Jones or turning down some other super fight, but when it comes to the belt you should defend against who ever the UFC says is next.

[hawdrigoh]

Whether he's ducking or not, this deserved its own thread.

[irishmike357]

Threads merged.

[nealicus]

Thank you. I disagree. I think that Rashad is the tougher fighter. I think he has more experience, better credentials, better game planning, is MUCH bigger and is, therefore a bigger threat. Do I think that Anderson is avoiding a fight with Weidman? Yes. Do I think that Rashad is a tougher fight? Yes. I rather see the supposed p4p king take a tougher fight, that's what super fights are about- one person moving up or moving down to pit the best of two different classes against each other. GSP or Rashad? I find it very hard to be upset about Weidman with these two in the conversation, and I think anyone that is upset about it is absolutely ridiculous, including yourself- baring a more elucidating argument.

I was done with this thread because of all the ridiculous posts, but honestly I enjoy debating with you. You present you points very well and don't feel the need to insult those with a different opinion. Thank you.

I have to agree Rashad has more experience and think that could hurt Weidman at this point (have said a bunch of times I want him to get another fight in first), not sure about the credentials though. Obviously better MMA credentials, but Weidman has great wrestling and grappling credentials. I think Serra and co are a great team though. Most of all there is no way you can say Rashad is way bigger. He fights in a higher weight class, but is 5'11". Weidman is 6'2". I won't complain if he fights Rashad, I just want him to fight. I think it is BS to call it a super fight when he takes on Rashad, especially coming off a loss though.

I will make this clear though. From day 1 of the Weidman talk I said I wanted another fight from him first, but he is all that is left without a fight, other than Boetsch . I would just like to see Silva fight again this year, instead of waiting for GSP 9 months from now, IF he even wins. If they book the Rashad fight I will be very happy, but at this time Rashad has not said he is dropping and the UFC has not offered it.

I am not upset Weidman is not getting a shot, I am upset that a UFC Champion and probably best fighter in the world today (maybe ever) is turning down a fight to defend his belt. I have never given Silva shit for not wanting to fight Jones or turning down some other super fight, but when it comes to the belt you should defend against who ever the UFC says is next.

I don't know that height alone can determine size. I'll conclude with this: If Silva takes a big fight, (and I would consider GSP and Rashad both to be big fights) then I think he is redeemed from the ducking conversation. If he doesn't take a big fight, I think there is an argument that can be made for ducking. I posted in an earlier thread that his saying he was interested in Franklin was pretty disappointing. I'll withhold judgement until I see this thing play out.

That being said, I think a large amount of people around here aren't interested in honest judgement; they simply want to spin things any way they can against a fighter they dislike. If people can use arguments that are devoid of personal attacks, double standards, name calling, or arguments based on claims alone, more power to them, but most seem utterly incapable. Makes me want to punch a baby.

[irishmike357]

I don't know that height alone can determine size. I'll conclude with this: If Silva takes a big fight, (and I would consider GSP and Rashad both to be big fights) then I think he is redeemed from the ducking conversation. If he doesn't take a big fight, I think there is an argument that can be made for ducking. I posted in an earlier thread that his saying he was interested in Franklin was pretty disappointing. I'll withhold judgement until I see this thing play out.

That being said, I think a large amount of people around here aren't interested in honest judgement; they simply want to spin things any way they can against a fighter they dislike. If people can use arguments that are devoid of personal attacks, double standards, name calling, or arguments based on claims alone, more power to them, but most seem utterly incapable. Makes me want to punch a baby.

If he were able to fight GSP this year I would consider him redeemed, but the fact that he will have to wait until mid 2013 to fight him means he has plenty of time to defend his belt in the mean time. If he fights Rashad right now I still think Weidman is being screwed, but would be ok with it. The Franklin this is ridiculous lol.

Yeah most people don't like an honest opinion around here. I think I was pretty fair on this assessment though, whether I used the word ducking or not; he should have accepted the fight with the #1 contender IMO. Name calling and "I don't like your post so you are a retard that can't read" responses make me not even like debating things around here. Thanks for the good debate, whether we agree or not.

[RyoJi]

Anderson fighting Franklin is like JDS turning down Cain and Overoid and then calling out Tim Sylvia. It's just fucking stupid.

[Poop Cannon]

I'm still kind of puzzled why the fuck would anyone want to see Silva-Weidman. Sounds about as exciting as Silva-Leites, Silva-Maia or Silva-Okami.

Silva should definitely fight something challenging for a change, be it someone from WW or someone from LHW in some catchweight bout or something. Trashing Weidman for shit and giggles sounds pretty moronic and downright boring. Who thinks Weidman has a chance? Thought so.

[PsychoBells]

And the kicker is, if Chris were to fail miserably everyone would post "I always said he was too green, just another underqualified can sent to the meaningless MW title hyukhyukhyukhyukhyuk!!!!11"

[Masterino]

I'm still kind of puzzled why the fuck would anyone want to see Silva-Weidman. Sounds about as exciting as Silva-Leites, Silva-Maia or Silva-Okami.

Silva should definitely fight something challenging for a change, be it someone from WW or someone from LHW in some catchweight bout or something. Trashing Weidman for shit and giggles sounds pretty moronic and downright boring. Who thinks Weidman has a chance? Thought so.

I think Weedman can beat Anderson. Now that Anderson's mystique has faded, threatening retirement, wants big fights, yadda yadda yadda, now the heat is on, and the Spider dont wanna fight a kid whose got the real potential to be champion. Resorting to calling out any other division but his own, Ando is letting his managers make him look like a fool. Imo, fight weedman, tjen Belcher.

[PsychoBells]

Like I said in the original ShoDuck thread, ducking implies a level of contrivence that I don't believe simply refusing a fight can attain. But that's just IMO.

Sorry you can't go back now lol.

Anderson can duck whoever he wants, I don't give a shit. He could fight piles of rocks once every 10 years and I'd still be happy and still be excited for the fights.

Anyway, I would be inclined to agree with you; but then we would debate why he is refusing the fight, which imo is irrelevant. Why would a champ ever turn down a fight with the #1 contender? I could see if the GSP fight was on the table, but it is not for a very long time. Maybe he is scared of losing to Weidman, who really knows.

I don't think Anderson ducked, but if he did I don't care.

[Poop Cannon]

I think Weedman can beat Anderson. Now that Anderson's mystique has faded, threatening retirement, wants big fights, yadda yadda yadda, now the heat is on, and the Spider dont wanna fight a kid whose got the real potential to be champion. Resorting to calling out any other division but his own, Ando is letting his managers make him look like a fool. Imo, fight weedman, tjen Belcher.

Wow.

Dude has like 2 wins that are notable and you're of the opinion that he will beat the greatest MW there ever has been. The UFC doesn't even need to hype people anymore.

[mmafan559]

What's the point in having a #1 contender if they aren't fighting for the title?

I mean it's not like Silva was granted a title shot after 1 win in the UFC against Leben.

[mrbwo]

Thank you. I disagree. I think that Rashad is the tougher fighter. I think he has more experience, better credentials, better game planning, is MUCH bigger and is, therefore a bigger threat. Do I think that Anderson is avoiding a fight with Weidman? Yes. Do I think that Rashad is a tougher fight? Yes. I rather see the supposed p4p king take a tougher fight, that's what super fights are about- one person moving up or moving down to pit the best of two different classes against each other. GSP or Rashad? I find it very hard to be upset about Weidman with these two in the conversation, and I think anyone that is upset about it is absolutely ridiculous, including yourself- baring a more elucidating argument.

I was done with this thread because of all the ridiculous posts, but honestly I enjoy debating with you. You present you points very well and don't feel the need to insult those with a different opinion. Thank you.

I have to agree Rashad has more experience and think that could hurt Weidman at this point (have said a bunch of times I want him to get another fight in first), not sure about the credentials though. Obviously better MMA credentials, but Weidman has great wrestling and grappling credentials. I think Serra and co are a great team though. Most of all there is no way you can say Rashad is way bigger. He fights in a higher weight class, but is 5'11". Weidman is 6'2". I won't complain if he fights Rashad, I just want him to fight. I think it is BS to call it a super fight when he takes on Rashad, especially coming off a loss though.

I will make this clear though. From day 1 of the Weidman talk I said I wanted another fight from him first, but he is all that is left without a fight, other than Boetsch . I would just like to see Silva fight again this year, instead of waiting for GSP 9 months from now, IF he even wins. If they book the Rashad fight I will be very happy, but at this time Rashad has not said he is dropping and the UFC has not offered it.

I am not upset Weidman is not getting a shot, I am upset that a UFC Champion and probably best fighter in the world today (maybe ever) is turning down a fight to defend his belt. I have never given Silva shit for not wanting to fight Jones or turning down some other super fight, but when it comes to the belt you should defend against who ever the UFC says is next.

I don't know that height alone can determine size. I'll conclude with this: If Silva takes a big fight, (and I would consider GSP and Rashad both to be big fights) then I think he is redeemed from the ducking conversation. If he doesn't take a big fight, I think there is an argument that can be made for ducking. I posted in an earlier thread that his saying he was interested in Franklin was pretty disappointing. I'll withhold judgement until I see this thing play out.

That being said, I think a large amount of people around here aren't interested in honest judgement; they simply want to spin things any way they can against a fighter they dislike. If people can use arguments that are devoid of personal attacks, double standards, name calling, or arguments based on claims alone, more power to them, but most seem utterly incapable. Makes me want to punch a baby.

WhiteJon Jones not only 6'2" but has a 78" reach (he's somewhat comparable to almost some current heavyweights in that department) and has outwrestled Phil Davis and Ryan Bader in college... I mean he would do pretty well at LHW imo ( I dunno about cracking top 7 but he would definitely take Bader's spot).

That being said I still think rashad might have more tools and at the very least BETTER gameplanning for his skillset at THIS point, but I could be wrong.

[irishmike357]

WhiteJon Jones not only 6'2" but has a 78" reach (he's somewhat comparable to almost some current heavyweights in that department) and has outwrestled Phil Davis and Ryan Bader in college... I mean he would do pretty well at LHW imo ( I dunno about cracking top 7 but he would definitely take Bader's spot).

That being said I still think rashad might have more tools and at the very least BETTER gameplanning for his skillset at THIS point, but I could be wrong.

I think when considering Rashad's game planning you have to factor in the Greg Jackson factor though. He is 2-1 since leaving Jacksons and one win was against Tito.

As for his wrestling ability, Davis and Bader are two of the best wrestlers at LHW; so I think people are really not giving Weidman credit in that aspect. Only time will tell though how good he is.