Boetsch vs. Lombard - the numbers

by **rattlestick** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:19 pm

After hearing claims on Lombard suffering a robbery I thought I'd post the stats. It seems pretty clear that Boetsch outpointed Lombard. Although I do believe Lombard landed the better shots.

What flusters me is why Lombard's stupid corner kept telling him he was winning.. no wonder he was so passive.

Fighter KD Sig. Str. Sig. Str. % Total Str. TD TD % Sub. Att. Pass Rev.

FIGHTS TOTALS
Boetsch 0 54 of 98 55% 57 of 101 0 of 9 0% 0 0 0
Lombard 0 26 of 77 34% 47 of 99 2 of 4 50% 0 0 0

ROUND 1
Boetsch 0 19 of 35 54% 19 of 35 0 of 3 0% 0 0 0
Lombard 0 9 of 28 32% 15 of 34 1 of 1 100% 0 0 0

ROUND 2
Boetsch 0 16 of 28 57% 16 of 28 0 of 2 0% 0 0 0
Lombard 0 10 of 26 38% 21 of 38 0 of 1 0% 0 0 0

ROUND 3
Boetsch 0 19 of 35 54% 22 of 38 0 of 4 0% 0 0 0
Lombard 0 7 of 23 30% 11 of 27 1 of 2 50% 0 0 0

source:
FightMetric - http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3963

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by **PsychoBells** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:21 pm

When two guys are fighting safe, the one perceived to be more active usually gets the nod.

by **irishmike357** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:25 pm

Depends how you score it.

Me personally if I give points for a take down, then I also give points for defending a take down. Something Lombard didn't get obviously. When you go 0 for 9 on take downs and your opponent goes 2 for 4, then you barely outstrike him (numbers only IMO) you should probably not win.

MMA judging is so awful some times though I am honestly getting numb to it.

effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense

Those are the categories used to judge, the numbers don't tell you at all about control or aggressiveness. Lombard clearly won the grappling in each round though.

by **WandyCroCop** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:12 pm

irishmike357 wrote:Depends how you score it.

Me personally if I give points for a take down, then I also give points for defending a take down. Something Lombard didn't get obviously. When you go 0 for 9 on take downs and your opponent goes 2 for 4, then you barely outstrike him (numbers only IMO) you should probably not win.

MMA judging is so awful some times though I am honestly getting numb to it.

effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense

Those are the categories used to judge, the numbers don't tell you at all about control or aggressiveness. Lombard clearly won the grappling in each round though.

Octagon control is a trick subject. The guy could get points for protecting the middle of the Octagon, but the guy on the outside could get points for circling well and using the circular cage to his advantage (Machida)

by **mmanarchy** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:22 am

uhhh boetsch definetly won....hector did nothing

by **SpacexBound** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:24 am

Does anybody feel that those 2 takedowns and harder shots should have won Lombard 2 rounds?

by **TheAssassin** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:25 am

Lombard won every category.

Cool, you land 10 punches more, but when you run like a bitch throwing Condit kicks after you taste one of mine, I won the striking.

by **jekidoruy** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:26 am

irishmike357 wrote:Depends how you score it.

Me personally if I give points for a take down, then I also give points for defending a take down. Something Lombard didn't get obviously. When you go 0 for 9 on take downs and your opponent goes 2 for 4, then you barely outstrike him (numbers only IMO) you should probably not win.

MMA judging is so awful some times though I am honestly getting numb to it.

effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense

Those are the categories used to judge, the numbers don't tell you at all about control or aggressiveness. Lombard clearly won the grappling in each round though.

I total agree with you on how you feel about the judging . When i looked at the fight hector had clearly showed more signs of aggression by walking forward. Also i think he used good ground in pound when he defended the shots. Plus i dont think they gave him any points for the liver kick that i thought was the most effective strike in the whole fight which saw Boetsch get dropped a few seconds after the kick hand landed. Also as stated control is kind of weird when looking at it. I dont call control walking straight back and away from the opponent with the opponent moving forward. I personally feel that if any fight is close when it comes to striking then the take down or downs wins the fights and that did not happen in this fight. What really pissed me off about it all was when Dana said they hecotr should not have even been ranked in the top 10. Personally Hector played a good game and did not rush and burn him self out. I did have hector winning the first and third round of the fight

by **HeartOfMidnight** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:28 am

mmanarchy wrote:uhhh boetsch definetly won....hector did nothing

Yep agreed!!

IMO takedowns really mean nothing if you don't do anything with them.

Lombard literally just stood there doing nothing except to try and counter.

by **TheAssassin** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:32 am

HeartOfMidnight wrote:
mmanarchy wrote:uhhh boetsch definetly won....hector did nothing

Yep agreed!!

IMO takedowns really mean nothing if you don't do anything with them.

Lombard literally just stood there doing nothing except to try and counter.

He slammed the shit out of Boetch and landed some good shots whiile stuffing them.

And by just stood there you mean walked Tim down the whole fight right?

by **gvd13** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:41 am

Who cares who won, it was just overall a really shit fight.

by **cman** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:57 am

TheAssassin wrote:Lombard won every category.

Cool, you land 10 punches more, but when you run like a bitch throwing Condit kicks after you taste one of mine, I won the striking.

He actually outlanded him by 28 strikes. Which is more then Hector landed at all. Hector landed just over 1 strike a minute in the 3rd... that really tells the tale of this fight.

by **TheAssassin** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:03 am

I think strike measuring is stupid, especially for judging fights. Tossing pillow punches in high numbers doesn't win you fights. Engaging, pressing the action, being aggressive and making your opponent afraid of your punches is what wins you fights. Tim did exactly what Bisping did against Leben, he ran away, throwing Condit kicks knowing the judges were bad and looked for a decision win. He said as much in the post fight interview about not wanting to engage with Lombard.

by **rascalraidex** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:18 am

TheAssassin wrote:
HeartOfMidnight wrote:
mmanarchy wrote:uhhh boetsch definetly won....hector did nothing

Yep agreed!!

IMO takedowns really mean nothing if you don't do anything with them.

Lombard literally just stood there doing nothing except to try and counter.

He slammed the shit out of Boetch and landed some good shots whiile stuffing them.

And by just stood there you mean walked Tim down the whole fight right?

Well... he certainly didn't strike him down...

by **Lamer** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:54 am

Seriously. People need to stop crying, Lombard looked god awful vs Boetsch. Honestly, he threw like 3 punches a round. Tim threw and landed more than that, get over it.